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I agree.. but I don't know think the government can or will break this misconception. Blair is trying to encourage them through unrealistic "incentives" that won't solve the problem.

What will solve the problem is higher taxes I heard on the TV today that if some of the highest earners were taxed just 3 per cent then that would be more than enough for universities to expand in fields of research and provide good quality education
Yes, but they always say that don't they?

"If you just pay an extra penny then we'll have perfect education. If you just contribute another tuppence the NHS will be the envy of the world......oh, and public transport?....just a penny more......that's all....we promise"

The point is this just isn't true.

Look at the extra billions Labor has pumped into the NHS over the last few years. Noticed any massive reduction in waiting lists, any improvement in hospital cleanliness, hundreds of newly trained and enthusiastic young MD's strutting the wards, the wholesale construction of new hospitals, clinics, research labs? I havn't.

Taxes solve nada.

You want universities to expand in the fields of research? Easy. Unshackle them from government interference.
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Blair has a good idea of no up front fee's, as my parents are gonna pay that, but by basing the max student loan and tuition fee's on your parents wages just doesn't make sense... when your 18, your an adult, acording to the law, so your parents don't get you everything (unless ur spoilt). Hence tuition fees and loans should be the same for everyone, otherwise your discriminating agains the pople who's parents actually work hard. A friend of mine's mum works a load of overtime in order to pay the bills, and so her gross salary puts her over the cut off point, so my friend has to pay more tuition fees and can take a smaller loan, and yet her family isn't particually well off, now where's the sense in that?
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I'd personally rather see the cap removed from NI contributions than an extra tier on income tax.
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(Original post by Howard)
Yes, but they always say that don't they?

"If you just pay an extra penny then we'll have perfect education. If you just contribute another tuppence the NHS will be the envy of the world......oh, and public transport?....just a penny more......that's all....we promise"

The point is this just isn't true.

Look at the extra billions Labor has pumped into the NHS over the last few years. Noticed any massive reduction in waiting lists, any improvement in hospital cleanliness, hundreds of newly trained and enthusiastic young MD's strutting the wards, the wholesale construction of new hospitals, clinics, research labs? I havn't.

Taxes solve nada.

You want universities to expand in the fields of research? Easy. Unshackle them from government interference.
I see your point.. and I do agree with it. I definatley don't like the way the government wastes taxes and I don't really trust them not to do the same with other education taxes. But surely its a better solution than top-up fees?
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As I said before.. the economist that said this was referring to the very highest earners.. not the middle classes.

Labour didn't start out with the support of Middle England.. I think it should consider its roots for a change
No, and that's because Labor spent the best part of 15 years in the political wilderness while they flirted with socialist claptrap.

Only when they stole the tory's clothes did middle England feel comfortable enough to take a chance on them.
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I see your point.. and I do agree with it. I definatley don't like the way the government wastes taxes and I don't really trust them not to do the same with other education taxes. But surely its a better solution than top-up fees?
Well, they're both crappy ideas. But taxing more has been proven to fail so often my preference would be top up.

However, if you'd just let uni's become a bit more autonomous then neither would be necessary; they could raise their own money. That's how it's done at Harvard which as a result is about 100 times wealthier than Oxford and Cambridge combined.
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As I said before.. the economist that said this was referring to the very highest earners.. not the middle classes.

Labour didn't start out with the support of Middle England.. I think it should consider its roots for a change
and not get voted in again? yes of course....
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Well, they're both crappy ideas. But taxing more has been proven to fail so often my preference would be top up.

However, if you'd just let uni's become a bit more autonomous then neither would be necessary; they could raise their own money. That's how it's done at Harvard which as a result is about 100 times wealthier than Oxford and Cambridge combined.
That is the governments eventual plan - alongside the top up fees they're proposing (and funding pound for pound) endowments to be set up by individual uni's.

Hopefully the short term increase in direct funding will be a realistic increase for long enough for the universities to build up significant endowments (and other sources of income: IP/spin offs etc)
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No, and that's because Labor spent the best part of 15 years in the political wilderness while they flirted with socialist claptrap.

Only when they stole the tory's clothes did middle England feel comfortable enough to take a chance on them.
torys clothes? you can hardly claim that New Labour is completely Old Tory, yes they are similar in parts but differ massivly in many policies.
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higher education needs the funding. but it wouldnt be a hindrance if there were less mickey mouse courses.
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. That's how it's done at Harvard which as a result is about 100 times wealthier than Oxford and Cambridge combined.
However, ability to pay (despite their claims) has an influence over their admissions decisions. At Oxbridge, this is not the case.
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However, ability to pay (despite their claims) has an influence over their admissions decisions. At Oxbridge, this is not the case.
That's true, but not what I am talking about. I was talking with "Elle" about alternative ways in which colleges can raise money, and not admissions policies.
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*applauds*
Why? It's not relevant.
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I agree with you. Its reallly messed up, and its happening where I live too. In California, we have this huge budget crisis, and before our ex govenor (sp?) left office, he signed this bill stating that tuition fees at our state university system (University of California...) were to raise 30-33 %. also, the other fees, like student fees, rose also. The new govenor we have now is not going to cut the fees, even though he promised to. He wants to cut a lot of money from our education system...like over 5 miillion or billion dollars? I do not know the condition England is in, but the state of California, we have this huge budget hole, a recall just happened to kick our old govenor out of office and put the terminator in place of him, and this huge forest fire in the southern part of the state is costing the state a lot of money. And worse enough, Bush does not care about the state...you know why? because first, we didn't vote for him at the last election, and he wants to put a man on the moon and mars.

I went overboard a bit, I'm sorry. basically what I was saying is that I totally understand about the college fees.
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I think he is a right twat even his own MP's are going against him he should just resign.
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(Original post by ChemBOOM)
We dont want too many people going to uni.
There are already too many phd qualified people either unemployed or working in a supermarket!!!
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what you got to say bout people from Peterhead?!?!?!?!


Where you from thats so good?
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Why can't Arnie just rob a band you know the whole "I'll be back" but instead he doesn't go back
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