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So after a bit of glory for grammars (Key stage 3 value added) the true picture of secondary education emerges. Comprehensives are better! Of the top 100 school, 76 are comps. Is this the death knell for selection?
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So after a bit of glory for grammars (Key stage 3 value added) the true picture of secondary education emerges. Comprehensives are better! Of the top 100 school, 76 are comps. Is this the death knell for selection?
Well? Nobody got anything to say? When Key stage 3 results were published the pro selection lobby had plenty to shout about - where are you now?
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I disagree, I went to a comprehensive and my sister is in year 13 in a grammar. My sister's standard of education is so much higher. I think there is the other side to life though some grammar school kids tend to miss.
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It's a load of rubbish. The only reason why 75% are comps, is because there are more comprehensives. Well that may not be right, I didn't bother reading much of the article :rolleyes:
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Well my school did fantastically this year, and there are a hell of a lot of grammars in the top schools in the entire country. Many grammars achieved 'value-added' scores of over 100 too.
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how did everyone's school do? my school went down this year compared to last... the year below always were riff raff.

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Well my school did fantastically this year, and there are a hell of a lot of grammars in the top schools in the entire country. Many grammars achieved 'value-added' scores of over 100 too.
what are the value added things?

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Well? Nobody got anything to say? When Key stage 3 results were published the pro selection lobby had plenty to shout about - where are you now?
Hmmmm?

I never argued that selective schools get better results, but I do like my school because its a nice learning environment for us all, none of the nasty people causing trouble.

Also, my school has a Value-Added of 99.8 compared to 99 for the school I'd have gone to if I hadn't have come here, which has lower standards. I think I'd rather get 6/8/8 SATs here and good GCSE results (I'm working towards em) rather than 6/7/7 there and much worse results. Different end results but a similiar "Value-added" score.
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what are the value added things?

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It's a new thing the government wanted in the hope it would add to the argument against grammars.
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My school has now closed down so there is no results. It was usualy around 10% 5-A-Cs pass rate. My college average UCAS oint score was 108.
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KS3, many private schools don't do SATS anyway.
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KS3, many private schools don't do SATS anyway.
that'll be why mine didn't have a value-added thing.

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So after a bit of glory for grammars (Key stage 3 value added) the true picture of secondary education emerges. Comprehensives are better! Of the top 100 school, 76 are comps. Is this the death knell for selection?
Probably not, because they still provide the best free education in the world, it's a pity that they are so few.
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Improvement on KS3!!!?!?? Comprehensives do crap at KS3 and crap at GCSE, grammar schools do well at KS3 and well at GCSE. Therefore they have the same value added. I don't see what the surpise is there.
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It's a new thing the government wanted in the hope it would add to the argument against grammars.
Oh LH - how you fib!!! You were crowing about value-added when it supported your case for grammars at Key stage 3, now when it shows that comps do best from ks3 to ks4 you change your mind.
I do think though (without being biased) that we need more than two judgements on performance to get a true picture on all the achievements of different types of school. I would suggest
1. Grammars - target of % of A*/A grades
2. a.Specialist comps - value added
b. All other comps
3. Secondary moderns (areas with selection) that do not have full range of ability.
The tables, as they are, do not suit all types of schools and are too subjective.
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Oh LH - how you fib!!! You were crowing about value-added when it supported your case for grammars at Key stage 3, now when it shows that comps do best from ks3 to ks4 you change your mind.
I do think though (without being biased) that we need more than two judgements on performance to get a true picture on all the achievements of different types of school. I would suggest
1. Grammars - target of % of A*/A grades
2. a.Specialist comps - value added
b. All other comps
3. Secondary moderns (areas with selection) that do not have full range of ability.
The tables, as they are, do not suit all types of schools and are too subjective.
You know me too well!

I think value added between KS3 and KS4 is flawed for some schools, as they have very high standards in both.
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Oh LH - how you fib!!! You were crowing about value-added when it supported your case for grammars at Key stage 3, now when it shows that comps do best from ks3 to ks4 you change your mind.
KS3 to KS4 makes no sense.
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KS3 to KS4 makes no sense.
At the end of the day, that table is a load of rubbish. It means nothing
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At the end of the day, that table is a load of rubbish. It means nothing
Yep .
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Yep .
Are you a stater, grammar boy or an independent lad?
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