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(Original post by yawn1)
No - the parent makes the decision which school is most suited to their child's aptitude - although in theory the schools can select up to 10% of their intake on 'aptitude' not ability, in practice the schools that do only represent less than 5% of the total of specialists.
So I could send my child to a language college, regardless of whether s/he had any aptitude for languages.

This sounds like a good system...
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(Original post by yawn1)
That proves my hypothesis imo. The specialist status will take precedence of the category of school in future.
Each school in a given area will have it's own speciality, hence, if you have an aptitude for languages, or sciences/maths, business, technology or sports you will go to the appropriate school.
Because of changes in 14-19 curriculum each specialist school will offer a personalised education according to whether one is suited for an academic or vocational career.
That sounds like a good idea in theory, but in practise I'd be willing to bet 99% of parents would just try and get their son into the school with the best results.

My school still selects 100% of its pupils btw.
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As far as I know no one has ever been withdrawn from an exam at CRGS.

Yes, it is at both key stages, but of course you believe the value added to KS3 to be fundamentally flawed, don't you?
I do not believe the value added to ks3 to be flawed. The only reservation I might have would be the standard of the puils on entry to year7. I believe that in areas with grammars there is far more emphasis placed on preparation for the 11+ to the exclusion of ks2 exams which follow the 11+. Therefore the results of KS2 might not be representative of the pupils true ability.
As a matter of interest, there is very little correlation between the style of exams of 11+ and Sats. Perhaps this would be an additional explanation for the value added?
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(Original post by Lord Huntroyde)
So I could send my child to a language college, regardless of whether s/he had any aptitude for languages.

This sounds like a good system...
Don't you think it would be very irresponsible and not in the best interests of the child for a parent to opt for a specialism that their child had shown no aptitude for?
Not many parents would do that, particularly those who have the best interests of their child at heart.
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Don't you think it would be very irresponsible and not in the best interests of the child for a parent to opt for a specialism that their child had shown no aptitude for?
Not many parents would do that, particularly those who have the best interests of their child at heart.
But that language school had really good GCSE results in all subjects, so I want my child to go there.
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Don't you think it would be very irresponsible and not in the best interests of the child for a parent to opt for a specialism that their child had shown no aptitude for?
Not many parents would do that, particularly those who have the best interests of their child at heart.
I didn't really have a choice where I went to school, but I'm glad I went where I did (still do). The specialist schools I know of are comps and aren't so great, even when they are a school of science and technology...
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(Original post by Harry Potter)
That sounds like a good idea in theory, but in practise I'd be willing to bet 99% of parents would just try and get their son into the school with the best results.

My school still selects 100% of its pupils btw.
I'll respond to your comments in reverse order;
Grammars always select 100% of its' pupils based on the standard of the year's cohort that take their entry exam.
The point about the government pumping all this extra money into specialist schools is to act as an incentive for the schools to raise their standards, which they are required to do, to achieve specialist status in the first place. The status and consequent additional funding is made on a four yearly renewable basis. Therefore the schools needs to keep improving its' standards and results to retain it's speciality. Therefore, all schools will have improved results and your contention will be borne out, but there will be little to chose from on the basis of 'best results'.
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(Original post by me!)
I didn't really have a choice where I went to school, but I'm glad I went where I did (still do). The specialist schools I know of are comps and aren't so great, even when they are a school of science and technology...
It will therfore be more difficult for them to retain their status as they need to show proof if improving standards by way of exam results otherwise they will lose it when renewal time comes up.
If they government decide to give resources, currently available to secondary schools, to say - early years education, then the renewal system will be even more rigorous.
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Yes it was founded in France. And? Founded in 1593 only about 40 years after your school so, its more like decades rather than centuries. There is a good reason for that, England was not a catholic country at that time and seen as you love your historians you should know what would have happened to the school and its followers if it was located in England. It was a school, for English children, unable to get a catholic education in England. When the situation changed in England it moved to England. It is an English School. If you want to say it isnt i'm sure u'd love to show us a picture of the ornate Clitheroe main school, built in the 60's I believe? lol.

I'm sorry, but the grammar school will never be able to compare to Stonyhurst for success. Mark Thompson, the head of channel four went to my school. He is widely tipped to take over the directorship of the BBC from Greg Dyke. Now, thats rather more impressive than a lawyer and a director. I admit the grammar school gets better exam results but cannot it compare with Stonyhurst for almost everything else. I admit this is mostly down to financial reasons, but at the end of the day like I said before, exams dont get you anywhere in life, lifes just harsh like that.
I would prefer to say that a director of PwC went to my school than a possible future DG of the BBC.
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Yes it was founded in France. And? Founded in 1593 only about 40 years after your school so, its more like decades rather than centuries. There is a good reason for that, England was not a catholic country at that time and seen as you love your historians you should know what would have happened to the school and its followers if it was located in England. It was a school, for English children, unable to get a catholic education in England. When the situation changed in England it moved to England. It is an English School. If you want to say it isnt i'm sure u'd love to show us a picture of the ornate Clitheroe main school, built in the 60's I believe? lol.

I'm sorry, but the grammar school will never be able to compare to Stonyhurst for success. Mark Thompson, the head of channel four went to my school. He is widely tipped to take over the directorship of the BBC from Greg Dyke. Now, thats rather more impressive than a lawyer and a director. I admit the grammar school gets better exam results but cannot it compare with Stonyhurst for almost everything else. I admit this is mostly down to financial reasons, but at the end of the day like I said before, exams dont get you anywhere in life, lifes just harsh like that.
Thanks for the history of Stoneyhurst - most interesting. Puts a completely different slant on LH's protestations!
Admissions to Stoneyhurst are not based solely on academic ability though are they? With the possible exception of scholarships etc. Therefore it stands to reason that you would expect a local grammar to achieve better results as they have a more able(?) cohort. It-s like trying to compare the results of a grammar with the results of a school that takes all abilities - a nonsense!!
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Thanks for the history of Stoneyhurst - most interesting. Puts a completely different slant on LH's protestations!
Admissions to Stoneyhurst are not based solely on academic ability though are they? With the possible exception of scholarships etc. Therefore it stands to reason that you would expect a local grammar to achieve better results as they have a more able(?) cohort. It-s like trying to compare the results of a grammar with the results of a school that takes all abilities - a nonsense!!
Yes Stonyhurst has that very fair system which all anti-grammar people seem to support (which is beyond me) of taking in the richest people.
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Yes Stonyhurst has that very fair system which all anti-grammar people seem to support (which is beyond me) of taking in the richest people.
It probably takes in a few poor Catholics as well I imagine.
You completely miss the point about the freedom of people to spend their money as they wish. You should never put people into neat compartments of ideologies. We are all very individual and unique
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But that language school had really good GCSE results in all subjects, so I want my child to go there.
Could you please reply to this, yawn?
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Could you please reply to this, yawn?
I didn't reply to your comment because it was not being given by a responsible parent!
The fact that you would be prepared to send your child to a school that may be unsuitable for them is an indictment on you
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It probably takes in a few poor Catholics as well I imagine.
You completely miss the point about the freedom of people to spend their money as they wish. You should never put people into neat compartments of ideologies. We are all very individual and unique
Yes of course it takes poor people. The majority of these win scholarships at age 13 though. Yep, you pays your money, you makes your choices in life.

Yes, the school goes to great lengths to care about the individual and not just how many good grades you can get in public examinations. It is after all catholic, with traditional morals.
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Could you please reply to this, yawn?
You never replyed to my post asking who would teach a bunch of rough/thick kids if we got more grammar schools.
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You never replyed to my post asking who would teach a bunch of rough/thick kids if we got more grammar schools.
LH seems to disappear when someone puts him on the spot and proves him wrong in an arguement. Don't worry i'm sure he will come back strong with some stats off a league table site or something he got from google. He will reply.
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LH seems to disappear when someone puts him on the spot and proves him wrong in an arguement. Don't worry i'm sure he will come back strong with some stats off a league table site or something he got from google. He will reply.
LOL, I've been waiting 4 hours (well I haven't really... I just posted 4 hours ago). If he doesn't post back, I'll be one of the few to get the better of him
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