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Clare Short proposed banning Page 3 because it degrades and exploits women. She also says that it doesnt discourage domestic violence when women are portrayed as sex objects and that it is disgusting. She proposed this in 1987 but the motion was defeated. Should we take these comments seriously when they come from a woman whose principles were in question just last year when she threatened to resign over the Iraq war but then didnt? Surely she is just looking for a good headline but I think she has put her foot in it.
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(Original post by Kurdt Morello)
Clare Short proposed banning Page 3 because it degrades and exploits women. She also says that it doesnt discourage domestic violence when women are portrayed as sex objects and that it is disgusting. She proposed this in 1987 but the motion was defeated. Should we take these comments seriously when they come from a woman whose principles were in question just last year when she threatened to resign over the Iraq war but then didnt? Surely she is just looking for a good headline but I think she has put her foot in it.
they would never ban page 3 - how else do you think they sell so many newspapers.

I like page 3, and i am sure thousands if not millions of others do aswell!!
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(Original post by Kurdt Morello)
Clare Short proposed banning Page 3 because it degrades and exploits women. She also says that it doesnt discourage domestic violence when women are portrayed as sex objects and that it is disgusting. She proposed this in 1987 but the motion was defeated. Should we take these comments seriously when they come from a woman whose principles were in question just last year when she threatened to resign over the Iraq war but then didnt? Surely she is just looking for a good headline but I think she has put her foot in it.
page 3 and the porn industry flourish because women take their right to self-determination and choose that career. many enjoy and prosper from it. how is that degrading to women?
doesnt discourage domestic violence? is she saying that it does? clare clearly has too much time on her hands...
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page 3 and the porn industry flourish because women take their right to self-determination and choose that career. many enjoy and prosper from it. how is that degrading to women?
doesnt discourage domestic violence? is she saying that it does? clare clearly has too much time on her hands...
I 100% agree with you.

the way the poster makes it out, it seems like "women are forced to go topless".

wrong. end of the day, women do it because they choose to. they are happy doing it, get paid fairly well (enough) and the nespapers sell extremely well and they make bussiness.
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page 3 and the porn industry flourish because women take their right to self-determination and choose that career. many enjoy and prosper from it. how is that degrading to women?
doesnt discourage domestic violence? is she saying that it does? clare clearly has too much time on her hands...
beautifully put Vienna - women are not exploited because it is their choice to show their bodies - and anyway why ban Page 3 when the Daily Sport is sitting right next to the Sun oozing pornography lol - that is a comparative point by the way - Women who go into the glamour/sex industry in whatever form nowadays do enjoy fantastic lifestyles
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(Original post by Kurdt Morello)
Clare Short proposed banning Page 3 because it degrades and exploits women. She also says that it doesnt discourage domestic violence when women are portrayed as sex objects and that it is disgusting. She proposed this in 1987 but the motion was defeated. Should we take these comments seriously when they come from a woman whose principles were in question just last year when she threatened to resign over the Iraq war but then didnt? Surely she is just looking for a good headline but I think she has put her foot in it.
It also doesn't discourage domestic violence when... i can't think of anything particularly funny and/or insiteful. But most things don't discourage domestic violence.
A mars bar doesn't discourage domestic violence. Does that mean that it should be banned as well?
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It also doesn't discourage domestic violence when... i can't think of anything particularly funny and/or insiteful. But most things don't discourage domestic violence.
A mars bar doesn't discourage domestic violence. Does that mean that it should be banned as well?
apparently mars bars help prevent specific types of cancer.
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It also doesn't discourage domestic violence when... i can't think of anything particularly funny and/or insiteful. But most things don't discourage domestic violence.
A mars bar doesn't discourage domestic violence. Does that mean that it should be banned as well?
So u see what an egregious comment she has made then - she is a dyke with feminist front - she is the worst politician since Ann Widdecombe - I think it could be down to jealousy
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apparently mars bars help prevent specific types of cancer.
Yeah, but apparently, as they 'don't discourage' domestic violence, they should be banned!
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So u see what an egregious comment she has made then - she is a dyke with feminist front - she is the worst politician since Ann Widdecombe - I think it could be down to jealousy
I think everyone can see how stupid her comments are.
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Yeah, but apparently, as they 'don't discourage' domestic violence, they should be banned!
in trying to avoid a controversial comment saying that porn encouraged domestic violence and thus the majority of the country are violent, clare has ended up with complete ambiguity , as you point out.
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she also suggested that it puts pressure on women - but the women on page 3 arent all perfect - she should ban those fashion mags which are filled with images of pencil-thin models - therein lies this societal pressure of which she speaks
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Even though I agree completely with Vienna when it comes to womens lib and the porn industry I have to admit I don't really have a lot of respect for a man who would buy a newspaper so he can ogle a nice pair of titties.

If you want to look at tits buy a decent porn mag

If you want to read a paper buy a decent paper.

If you want to look at tits while pretending to be reading about current events you're pathetic.
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in trying to avoid a controversial comment saying that porn encouraged domestic violence and thus the majority of the country are violent, clare has ended up with complete ambiguity , as you point out.
I think that porn encourages more baby-making!
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I don't know how anybody can take anything Clare Short say's seriously.

How in God's name did she ever come to represent people in Parliament? Tells you one of two things; either that the electorate are thick or that the calibre of candidates is so low that it's borderline subterranian.
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Even though I agree completely with Vienna when it comes to womens lib and the porn industry I have to admit I don't really have a lot of respect for a man who would buy a newspaper so he can ogle a nice pair of titties.

If you want to look at tits buy a decent porn mag

If you want to read a paper buy a decent paper.

If you want to look at tits while pretending to be reading about current events you're pathetic.
Well if people are offended don't look or don't buy the Sun. I think that the Sun's sport pages are second-to-none. Also as i said b4 maybe the Sport should be criticised for blatant porn in its pages
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I don't know how anybody can take anything Clare Short say's seriously.

How in God's name did she ever come to represent people in Parliament? Tells you one of two things; either that the electorate are thick or that the calibre of candidates is so low that it's borderline subterranian.
Doesnt she represent a rotten borough with only 2 people in it who are both the product of an incestual relationship
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Doesnt she represent a rotten borough with only 2 people in it who are both the product of an incestual relationship
Like in that BlackAdder script! Probably!
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Well if people are offended don't look or don't buy the Sun. I think that the Sun's sport pages are second-to-none. Also as i said b4 maybe the Sport should be criticised for blatant porn in its pages
Porn doesn't offend me I have absolutely no problems with anyone looking at and enjoying porn - that wasn't my point....my point was I find people who pretend to be reading a newspaper when their priority is to have a quick perve to be sadcases....if you're that ashamed of your sexuality that you try to cover up indulging in a bit of porn you must be a really crap lay*.

*note the use of you is in the general sense not aimed at the people reading this message specifically.
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Doesnt she represent a rotten borough with only 2 people in it who are both the product of an incestual relationship
2 people and a turnip actually. Get it right!
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