Got a grl pregnant...

It sounds to me like she's trying to trap you.

You have to give it to her straight now, the time for messing around, pretending to want to be with her is over. Tell her you want her to have an abortion, give her the reasons for this, tell her you don't want any kind of romantic relationship with her, but you will be there supporting her, make sure she knows that whether she aborts the baby or not, you don't want to be involved romantically.

Unfortunately, you cannot force her to have an abortion, if she chooses to have to baby, you can't stop her. If she does decide to keep it, try and suggest adoption. I really feel sorry for you, you took the necessary precautions, they didn't work, now it just feels like she's trying to trap/ guilt you into a relationship with her. On top of all this, if she does decide to keep the baby and not put it up for adoption, the poor kid ain't gonna have a brilliant life. Tough break, good luck xx

Your question on rape victims becoming pregnant has no bearing on the moral and medical conquences of abortion. It's nonsensical to argue it does, the baby is an entity separate from the circumstances of its inception, no?

My view on women getting raped is that all women just have at least a basic knowledge of jiu jitsu and that all citizens should have the right to carry weapons for self defence if they so choose.

Simply taking moral depravity like rape as a given and then indulging in a different depravity like the disregard of human life as some form of solution is not a particularly useful contribution quite frankly.

Both acts have their root in the same mode of thinking, i.e. People are just biological machines. The detachment of emotion/spirit from matter. You may want to evaluate the philosophical basis of your arguments.

I said pressuring someone into an abortion was the act of a scumsucker. You should really try reading what has been written.

Your second argument relies first of all on the fact that the child be born unwanted. It is a very small minority of women who give up a child they have birthed.

Secondly, the continuation of your point that a person would prefer not to be born rather than be born "unwanted" is just complete nonsense. How can you even make such a comparison?! I'm assuming you spend the nights dressed in black killing all adopted children after carefully explaining to them that "it's better this way". Did you ever bother to find out what adopted children or children under state care think about the question? What a stupid argument to make.

I'm sorry but a cognitive failure of that magnitude not to mention the complete absence of any empathic recognition regarding the destruction of human life can only lead me to conclude you are indeed mentally and spiritually disabled.

I may well be employing cheap insults but I'm also trying to show you that your ideas are illogical and more importantly dangerous. Please refer to the italics.

Conclusion to my thread:

The girl plays football, shes on the girls team. Anyway a football had hit her badly in the stomach about 4 days ago. Cause the miscarriage. She bled loads but thankfully she isnt preg anymore. Seen papers to prove it, shes a bit weird and i had doubts she could have been lying but she isnt.
So there you have it. Got a girl preg, football kills potential son/daughter, and i now have that lovely chapter to never be able to forget to add to my list of life long mistakes :/

Yeah, eurgh... poor people. They're better off just not existing.



So at what stage of the development of a human foetus does it become human? Do we count down the minutes or do you have a rough definition of what constitutes human? What is a human foetus if not human? Subhuman? An animal? A cluster of biological material? Please enlighten me. I'm pretty certain you're just another indoctrinated materialist who has made various assumptions about the nature of life without ever questioning their foundations. My jury is still out on the details but one thing I'm sure about is that an abortion for the sake of convenience is morally reprehensible.

One thing to always bear in mind: The DNA is clearly, from the moment of conception, completely unique from everyone else on earth.

In my view and in the view of a great many people, the destruction of potential human life shows the same moral poverty as the destruction of existing life. I have to call your "emotionally driven" counter argument badly constructed at best. It's the philosophical equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA I don't wanna hear it."

The disregard shown by the majority of people on this topic for the sanctity of life (as well as sex) has a knock on effect on the entirety of society. Thanks for that, you brainwashed fools.

As for the OP hoping it was a miscarriage... what a sicko. To see you sycophants hovering around rubbing his back just adds to the disgust.

"Oh did your pressure tactics to convince her to kill your own unborn child not work? Ohhhh poor you... yeah you're right, hopefully it was a miscarriage... here cry on my shoulder" Rancid.

It wasn't your fault, you couldn't have foreseen this. I'm sorry that this has happened to you, but things have a way of sorting themselves out I've always found. If you want to chat about this privately, message me, I'd be glad to be of any consolation to you.

If you read the whole thread the OP has already concluded.
The girl got hit by a football and caused a MC.

Oh. Well, what did I say about things having a way of working themselves out?

You continue use of viewing the foetus as a human being or a potential human being is, as I suggested, the cause of your emotional attachment. Hence why you see it as some kind of immoral act equating to cold blooded murder or something. Which is fine and your entitled to your opinion.

Ladies and gentlemen a human being.

not to be harsh, but it sounds like you're being a bit selfish :/ just be honest with her, at least give her the chance to make an informed decision

even if she has the baby, she can always put it up for adoption? if it eases both her and your guilt, then why not?

Sad thing is, if you weren't so scarily pugnacious I'd be inclined to say that I can see what you're saying here, but I'm just going to cut to the chase - how is my valuing the woman over the unborn child any different from your valuing the unborn child over the woman?

Be very careful with what you're implying here.

You don't think that forcing a woman to have her rapist's baby is a different sort of depravity?

Are you suggesting that the act of abortion and the act of rape or being raped involve no emotions on the part of the people involved?

I apologise profusely, but your argument doesn't lead me to believe that you have very high regard for the women who choose to have an abortion; please do correct me again if I'm wrong.

No statistics can possibly summarise complex family relations the way you have suggested they can. I do think that children in care have a much harder start in life than those in loving stable homes (with or without their biological parents), but it's not just children who have been "given up" who I am referring to. It's the children who are born to mothers who are not emotionally or mentally ready to put their child's needs above their own, often with the sad consequence that the children are left without self-esteem or a sense of self-worth - which, themselves, lead to more problems (including unwanted pregnancy). And yes, I do frequently wear black. Quite often at night.

It worries me that you are so obscenely close-minded that you believe that anyone who doesn't share your views is mentally disabled. But sure, make your conclusions if you like; just remember that deeply entrenched views and progress don't tend to go well together.

What is dangerous is the fact that you are okay with denying individuals the right to choose their own paths, their own ways in life.
The women who choose abortions are the ones who would otherwise be raising the children - not you. I am very glad you are not making the laws. Please refer to common sense.

OP, the attitudes of some people on here are less than to be desired. You did all you could and took reasonable precautions. You obviously cared about not having a baby as you even asked to see paperwork! I would suggest that you be there for her whatever you decide, but if you feel that strongly about aborting a baby, maybe look at adoption? Whereby she would have the child and then give it to a family that can't have children. Many familes that adopt will send a letter once a year to let you know how the child is getting on and so forth. I hope it all works out for you

Ok im gonna be honest here and explain more.
Im not a saint, i feel guilty.
I recently split with my long term ex, and i felt a bit desperate, and i met up with this girl. We both knew we were just seeing eachother though, but i had no motivation to go out with her.
Now she is pregnant. She went to the doctors today, and she can have the abortion pill like we expected. PROBLEM is that she is going on holiday with friends in like a month, and the doctor said she cant travel abroad for up to 12 weeks incase of complications. So now what?

The bigger problem is, she took a stupid amount of convincing to abort. And even worse, i attempted to break it off with her and she said she will have the baby and she wants nothing to do with me. I feared for myself, so i made out that i really wanted to be with her, and she said she would have an abortion if it meant i'd stay with her.
So if i dont pretend i want to be with her, she will likely have the baby, if i do pretend she will abort.

Its twisted, and i regret ever meeting her. Im doing this for the babies sake, it isnt right for it to be born into this, its not even a relationship.

You may want to read your sentences before you post, some of them seem quite garbled.

It's not "my opinion" that a human foetus in utero is human, it's a scientific fact. They have their own unique genetic code. Arguing that a foetus is not human until a certain stage of development is a nonsensical argument. "Quick! Kill it now before it becomes human!" Ridiculous.

The argument you are advancing is exactly the same argument that was used to justify the enslavement of the Black race where the common line was "They are humans but they are not persons and therefore do not deserve the rights personhood grants". Just so you understand the kind of philosophical company you keep.

Did you just compare aborting a foetus to the direct enslavement, torture, rape, murder and legal apartheid of over 60millions Africans and their descendants, which include my family and myself.

When it comes to your view of abortion, you are actually claiming the right of a actual human being, a grown woman. Is to be ignored for a sake of a bunch of cells at the early stage.

You try to claim that because it contains all the genetic code of a human being. Weak argument, why? because every single cell in the body does. Secondly the soon-to-be-human cannot survive without the womb and the mother. Go and read up on your science 'knowledge' and learn when a foetus even begins brain activity. Seriously a chimpanzee is more worthy of life by your definition of a human being. A chimpanzee can breathe, live, support its self, shares 99.9% of our DNA and has consciousness. Your simply saying a foetus is a human being because of what it will become AFTER in 9 months time. Base on that, the right of the woman and the babies life chances is to be ignored.

Amazing. Raped? tough luck baby. Single mother and barely able to afford food for herself? tough luck baby. unwanted and will be given up? tough luck baby. Living conditions dire? tough luck baby. Yes, because of other peoples 'principles' it is morally right to allow a child to be born under these conditions. All for the sake of what the baby was going to become 9 months down the line.

You know what is funny? the majority of those against abortion. Are the same ones who cry blue murder at parents who are bringing up children on benefits and not working. Are the same people who attack single mothers. Are the same ones who don't give a **** about the children born on a run down estate with **** life prospects. Or are the same people who don't have to worry about adopting the child after its been given away.

But you have life now they reply. Too late now little baby, and hey tough 'luck' (which it wasn't, because mr principled allowed it to happen) you are born into these situations. Hey, I still got my 'principles'. Shame I don't have an idea where your dad is...

Main_Du_Bois.

I have been reading Applied Ethics edited by Peter Singer for my optional philosophy modules to my degree. Read pages 37-86 the logic, reason and facts put forward by pro abortionists. If you disagree after reading all that then fine. But I'd suggest you take a look and allow your opinions to be challenged.

1. Are you saying a foetus is human because it has the potential to become one? because that would be comparable to saying an acorn is an oak tree. When the two are completely different things. Yes an acorn can (it may not) grow into an oak tree.

2. Materialism cannot be divorce from philosophy. Philosophy, if we want to generalise, can be divided between the idealist and the materialist camp.

3. If the foetus and woman have equal rights to life, then in the cases where its known the baby can kill her. How do you propose to decide which one lives?

4. You cannot compare my argument on abortion to slavery. If so, you grossly ignore it or do not know it. I argue for abortion knowing that I am against the destruction of human life. Life that is capable of living, as in breathing without the support of the mother. So my materialistic argument cannot be used to then argue the case to enslave a living, breathing and intelligent human being that have brown skin. Impossible. Read the distinctions I draw, thank you

5. I am sleepy, hope you find that book. Its a good read!