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    (Original post by Sherlock.H)
    Interesting. Your delving into the realms of uncertainty after being presented facts, then proceed to give the benefit of the doubt to your claim without sufficient evidence. That is terrible debating, at this point the burden of proof is on you, so far your claims hold no weight.

    Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

    I'd urge you to read the following.
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/05/ran...m-exaggerated/
    Please, cut the crap.

    If you think that I'm promoting 'terrible debating' and that my points have no bases, then tell me this: how many people have died in the US as a result of terrorism carried out by non-Muslims? Unless the number of people in the US who have died as a result of non-Muslim terrorism is much, much higher than 3,000 (which is the number killed by Muslim terrorists on 9/11) my point stands.
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    (Original post by Trell)
    I am sorry but I don't believe for a moment that a mere 30,000 Muslims immigrate to the US each year.

    I heard that something like 1.5 million people immigrate to the US every year, so to claim that a mere 30,000 (ie 2%) of them are Muslims, when Muslims make up something like 20% of the worlds population, seems incorrect, to say the least.
    1m people immigrate and it's not easy to earn residence in the US so it favours students and qualified professionals. Also you have to take into account that immigrants don't reflect an accurate cross-section of the world's population, I mean how many Mexicans or Hispanics emigrate to Britain? In the US a lot of immigrants are Hispanics and Orientals, take a look at this chart for the top ten:

    Country/per year/2000/2004/2010/2010 %
    Mexico 175,900/ 7,841,000/ 8,544,600/ 9,600,000/ 23.7%
    China 50,900 1,391,000/ 1,594,600/ 1,900,000/ 4.7%
    Philippines 47,800/ 1,222,000/ 1,413,200/ 1,700,000/ 4.2%
    India 59,300 1,007,000/ 1,244,200/ 1,610,000/ 4.0%
    Vietnam 33,700/ 863,000/ 997,800/ 1,200,000/ 3.0%
    Cuba 14,800 952,000/ 1,011,200/ 1,100,000/ 2.7%
    El Salvador 33,500/ 765,000/ 899,000/ 1,100,000/ 2.7%
    Dominican Republic 24,900/ 692,000/ 791,600/ 941,000/ 2.3%
    Canada 24,200/ 678,000/ 774,800/ 920,000/ 2.3%
    Korea 17,900/ 701,000 772,600/ 880,000/ 2.2%
    Total Pop. Top 10 498,900/ 16,112,000/ 18,747,600/ 21,741,000/ 53.7%
    Total Foreign Born 940,000/ 31,100,000/ 34,860,000/ 40,500,000/ 100%
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    (Original post by CombineHarvester)
    1m people immigrate and it's not easy to earn residence in the US so it favours students and qualified professionals. Also you have to take into account that immigrants don't reflect an accurate cross-section of the world's population, I mean how many Mexicans or Hispanics emigrate to Britain? In the US a lot of immigrants are Hispanics and Orientals, take a look at this chart for the top ten:

    Country/per year/2000/2004/2010/2010 %/
    Mexico 175,900 7,841,000 8,544,600 9,600,000 23.7%
    China 50,900 1,391,000 1,594,600 1,900,000 4.7%
    Philippines 47,800 1,222,000 1,413,200 1,700,000 4.2%
    India 59,300 1,007,000 1,244,200 1,610,000 4.0%
    Vietnam 33,700 863,000 997,800 1,200,000 3.0%
    Cuba 14,800 952,000 1,011,200 1,100,000 2.7%
    El Salvador 33,500 765,000 899,000 1,100,000 2.7%
    Dominican Republic 24,900 692,000 791,600 941,000 2.3%
    Canada 24,200 678,000 774,800 920,000 2.3%
    Korea 17,900 701,000 772,600 880,000 2.2%
    Total Pop. Top 10 498,900 16,112,000 18,747,600 21,741,000 53.7%
    Total Foreign Born 940,000 31,100,000 34,860,000 40,500,000 100%

    Damn. Your response totally pwned mine.
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    (Original post by burymeinanalog)
    Lol, I at no point spoke about motive, and I condoned nothing.
    My entire point is that these so-called statistics aren't totally definitely undeniably very very very super correct, especially because you're talking about THREATS and not recorded incidents.
    Channel you're unncessary anger into someone else, brah.
    Actually if you read my previous post, I am talking about EXACTLY recorded incident, lets talk about a recorded incident. How about 9/11 or 7/7? Hmm? Please learn some grammar too "undeniably very very super correct?" WTF?
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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    No it's not over 90% of deaths caused by terrorist incidents are from non-Muslim terrorists. If I can just find the website, I'll show you the link.
    Please do.
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    (Original post by CombineHarvester)
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    Yous aid that 30,000 Muslims immigrate to the US every year. Do you have a reliable source for this? Perhaps a document from the from the US government or something.
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    (Original post by HumanNature1992)
    Educate people? Spread awarness? People seem so brainwashed by the media, maybe a few of them if they knew the truth wouldnt be so ignorant to Islam and Muslims.
    This.
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    (Original post by TravelGuru)
    Actually if you read my previous post, I am talking about EXACTLY recorded incident, lets talk about a recorded incident. How about 9/11 or 7/7? Hmm? Please learn some grammar too "undeniably very very super correct?" WTF?

    1. Recorded incident of a THREAT, which is what you were originally talking about, hence what I was replying to. 9/11 and the 7/7 bombings were not THREATS. They were actual incidents.

    2. On actual incidents, is your best reference really 9/11 and 7/7? These are the two most infamous "Muslim" attacks and you are providing no examples beyond them. They were also minimal and isolated.

    3. On grammar, you have to be an absolute idiot to not realise that I was deliberately writing them like that. And that aside, you know you've really got **** all to say when you start criticising someone's grammar.
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    Look at both sides of the coin. 3000 American's die and America kills 300,000 Iraqis. That proves everything. When there is an unthinkable atrocity happening to your family, sometimes you can go the wrong way, in this case the way is terrorism.
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    (Original post by burymeinanalog)
    And not everyone will state their religion has Muslim, some might not want to for fear of stereotyping.
    That actually strengthens my point.

    (Original post by burymeinanalog)
    On top of this, the American immigration cap is very small, and for the Diversity Visa most Muslim-majority countries are exempt.
    I don't know of any Muslim-majority countries, perhaps with the exception of Pakistan, that is excluded from the Diversity Visa program.

    (Original post by burymeinanalog)
    2% per year sounds about right because of that.
    No, not to me. I would have to see some reliable evidence.
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    (Original post by burymeinanalog)
    Damn. Your response totally pwned mine.
    Here's a map showing immigration to the US:



    Here is a link showing Muslim countries by population (number of Muslims living there). Indonesia has 13% of the World's Muslim population but a 0% (or negligible) immigration rate to the US, Pakistan has over 11% of the World's Muslim population and a 0.3-0.99% figure, same for India which has 10.3% of the global Muslim population, 0.1-0.29% for Bangladesh which has 9.3% of the global Muslim population. This trend continues as you go down the table so 2% would be realistic.
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    (Original post by Tempa)
    America kills 300,000 Iraqis.
    Really? When did America do that?

    (Original post by Tempa)
    When there is an unthinkable atrocity happening to your family, sometimes you can go the wrong way, in this case the way is terrorism.
    :confused:

    The families of the Muslim men who carried out 9/11 and 7/7 were not harmed by the United States.
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    (Original post by Trell)
    You don't have a monopoly on the interpretation of Islam or the word peace.
    Yes I have

    At least we know the real terrorists
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    (Original post by Trell)
    Yous aid that 30,000 Muslims immigrate to the US every year. Do you have a reliable source for this? Perhaps a document from the from the US government or something.
    It was in one of those videos I linked to, there was a news piece about it which you can find on YouTube. You haven't provided any stats backing up your argument btw.
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    (Original post by CombineHarvester)
    This trend continues as you go down the table so 2% would be realistic.
    You said that 30,000 Muslims immigrate to the US every year. That is quite a specific figure. Where did you get it from?
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    (Original post by Trell)
    You said that 30,000 Muslims immigrate to the US every year. That is quite a specific figure. Where did you get it from?
    I already answered this.
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    (Original post by Iron Mike)
    Source?
    100% conjecture, yo. I'm just cool like that :cool:

    OK fine, the most high profile terrorist attacks in recent years in the western world have been committed by extemist Muslims.

    Near enough for the point I was trying to make.

    If you wanna get semantic, change the first line of the post of mine you quoted to "Even if the majority of terrorists are muslims...".

    But as I say that wasn't the point of my post. The point was the rest of it.
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    (Original post by Trell)
    I don't know of any Muslim-majority countries, perhaps with the exception of Pakistan, that is excluded from the Diversity Visa program.
    Apologies, that was bad information!
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    (Original post by Trell)
    Please, cut the crap.

    If you think that I'm promoting 'terrible debating' and that my points have no bases, then tell me this: how many people have died in the US as a result of terrorism carried out by non-Muslims?
    You're grasping at straws now, missing the original point. You've completely disregarded the statistics in my previous post and I still don't see any concrete evidence from you. I'm not here to prove your point, you are. Therefore the burden of proof is on you, is this really that hard to understand?

    All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 94% that Aren’t
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not...s-are-muslims/

    Europol Report: All Terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that Aren’t
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

    Unless the number of people in the US who have died as a result of non-Muslim terrorism is much, much higher than 3,000 (which is the number killed by Muslim terrorists on 9/11) my point stands.
    Also the following completely destroys your flawed perception of 9/11 that you kept putting forward.
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/05/ran...m-exaggerated/

    I shall take your lack of refutation as a concession.
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    (Original post by Inzamam99)
    Here:

    http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/
    You said something like Islamic terrorism is only responsible for 10% of deaths resulting from terrorism generally in Europe. That article doesn't back that up. Where is the evidence, for instance, that in the last ten years, just 10% of terrorism caused deaths in the Western world are due to Islamic terrorists?
 
 
 
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