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    (Original post by crazylemon)
    I know about more than that, thanks.

    We will see anyway. I must admit I have a vested interest in that I want to see labour collapse.
    What an immature view. I am socialist in my politics, that however doesn't mean I want an inept Conservative party. A strong opposition keeps the Government on there feet and can negate some of the more (objectively) harmful excesses of their chosen ideology.
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    I wanted David Miliband To Win!!

    However, Im still Happy even though Ed Miliband won.

    When David Miliband came out he look so happy, I actually thought he'd won it. Ed didn't look to happy lol. Came a shock in that Sense.

    It was really between Ed & David and the bookies did say Ed.
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    I think a lot of Lib Dem voters this year were under the illusion that the Libs were in fact to the left of Labour; an illusion which they did little to put down. However, now that they've confirmed they're truly a centrist party, and sold their sold to the devil by entering into this ideologically confused coalition, most of their left supporters will flock to Labour and the flashing neon billboards advertising the face of Ed Milliband.
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    (Original post by Philosopher-of-sorts)
    They also ought to read policy...

    Ed Miliband ran a smart campaign, leaning rhetorically left of David to pull those second preferences in from the others.

    If you look at their views they are far more similar than one would assume from the rhetoric. I have the feeling Ed will be just as centrist as his brother would have. He is advocating a move towards greater emphasis on civil liberties and localism, which is hardly a leftward step in the current political climate (although 10-15 years ago it would have been).

    His taxation policies are about equal in terms of actual increases to David's, although he places the burden differently.

    He's advocated a fair pay review--but so have the Tories and Lib Dems.

    I agree with you. In fact I thought his stance on the coalition in his speech was rather moderate and timid. I thought the leadership contest overall was a rather centrist affair with the most radical idea being Andy Burnham's LVT. Which isn't really very radical at all. :dontknow:
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    my dad was moaning about it. I don't really mind, I found david a bit too wooden and spoke too clearly - too similar to clegg and cameron. but my dad reckons he's not politically heavyweight enough, like, too idealist and not as knowledgable as brother dave. it'll be interesting to see some old school socialism from labour though hopefully. it's always kind of cool when the underdog wins as well i reckon (i.e. younger/uglier than dave!) But yeah, my dad reckons tories and that are gonna love it cause he should be much easier to beat. i guess he probably is too far left to attract swing voters, but at least he'll be honest and that hopefully. it's a drag when all 3 leaders come out with the same populist policies, but ed mil should be something different (i hope)
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    I'm a Tory, but I'd have preferred David. I have friends who know him...
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    YES WE CAN!!:woo:
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    hahahahahahahahahahahahaha enjoy 10 years of tory rule.
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    Pretty happy, because Labour is a lot less likely to win an election under him than under David.
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    (Original post by Dan1992)
    Any central authority using force is undesireable. But yes i do recognise some ocassions (e.g. army) in which this is necessary to maintain the very existence of the system.

    but that's the point, force should not be used beyond the extent for which it is needed to keep the country safe from invasion. just because some force is necessary is needed in order to secure the existence of the nation does not mean that it is a desireable thing, it is a pragmatic step to ensure our survival and is quite seperate from what i was attacking.


    What does the army have to do with this? I was talking about your point that the Government should not use force to lower inequality or redistribute wealth. You obviously support the use of force to maintain property rights within the UK (Force which requires the forceful collection of taxes). I would say that if use of force to redistribute wealth and lessen inequality is unjust then the use of force to maintain the current system of property rights becomes ideologically untenable and hypocritical.
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    (Original post by Houdizzle)
    Ladies and gents, this is what happens when someone takes their political opinions from the sun...
    Really? Well that's odd, I don't read the sun :rolleyes:

    So I suggest you quieten down with that announcement
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    (Original post by Billy Pilgrim)
    I think we definitely need to develop a more sustainable economy; perhaps investing more in new sectors such as technology. However, I would like to know where you think the banks will go? We won't be the only country clamping down.
    The middle east? Asia?
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    (Original post by Billy Pilgrim)
    I think we definitely need to develop a more sustainable economy; perhaps investing more in new sectors such as technology. However, I would like to know where you think the banks will go? We won't be the only country clamping down.
    Hong Kong? Singapore? Switzerland? Unless there is a global clamp down agreement(highly unlikely) no one will take banks on head first.
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    good, hopefully this will represent a move back to the Left for Labour
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    Better for labour's ideals

    But so much less able to help labour win the next election.
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    So does this mean the Labour Party is Team Edward?
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    Hmm, I predict Labour going lefter than a really left thing.

    2015 Gen. election will be between Lib Dems and Torys.

    (Original post by lessthan0)
    So does this mean the Labour Party is Team Edward?
    lol.
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    Some peoples logic on here is very backwards.

    Surely the fact that he has got in shows that people like and agree with him?

    I didnt vote Labour in the last election but now I defiantly will.
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    (Original post by Dan2009)
    Some peoples logic on here is very backwards.

    Surely the fact that he has got in shows that people like and agree with him?

    I didnt vote Labour in the last election but now I defiantly will.
    No, it shows that the affiliates like and agree with him. The labour members and labour MPs on the other hand, wanted David.

    I would have at least considered giving my first ever vote to David, but I definately shan't give it to Ed.
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    It's important now that Labour unites behind Unite's decision.
 
 
 
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