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    Still of the view that in recent times it is never the firm favourite at the start who wins leadership contests - called Ed Miliband as soon as Brown stood down.

    Cameron vs Davis in 2005?
    Duncan-Smith vs Clark in 2001?
    Hague vs Clark in 1997?
    Blair vs Brown in 1994?
    Major vs Hestletine in 1990?

    The latter were all firm favourites but the former all won.
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    (Original post by Prince Rhyus)
    Still of the view that in recent times it is never the firm favourite at the start who wins leadership contests - called Ed Miliband as soon as Brown stood down.

    Cameron vs Davis in 2005?
    Duncan-Smith vs Clark in 2001?
    Hague vs Clark in 1997?
    Blair vs Brown in 1994?
    Major vs Hestletine in 1990?

    The latter were all firm favourites but the former all won.
    You missed out Brown v No-one in 2007....he was such the favourite no one would stand against him....
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    (Original post by Jordan656)
    This.

    All you people saying Ed will go hard left and even socialist are nuts, he was a cabinet minister, he knows how to play the game and he has a shot at PM
    In effect, this ^^^

    Ed M knows that the Coalition will see the "union vote" as his achilles heel and will be kicking at it for all it's worth - hence why Ed M will probably look to counter this from the start.

    Getting support from trade union members and getting support from trade union leaders are very different things.

    What may help him is that in the mayoral election campaign, Ed M and Ken are probably more aligned than David M and Ken.
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    (Original post by Jordan656)
    This.

    All you people saying Ed will go hard left and even socialist are nuts, he was a cabinet minister, he knows how to play the game and he has a shot at PM (although I doubt he will be). In a centre right country he's not going to pull the party to the left, he's going to try to regain middle England...

    Ambition will trump anything he's promised the unions to get support...
    Britain is not "centre right" by any stretch of the imagination. There are policy areas where the right-wing train of thought typically polls higher (crime, immigration, defence), just as there are areas where the generally left viewpoint polls higher (environment, education, health). The population is probably best described as a muddled, fairly centrist electorate who can be at home with Labour or the Conservatives (or any other party) should those parties be willing to move their ideology to the centre. Of course, there are tribals on both the left and the right, but the floating majority would give thought to voting for either party (or possibly even any party! dangerous thinking there . . . :rolleyes:)
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    (Original post by Jordan656)
    You missed out Brown v No-one in 2007....he was such the favourite no one would stand against him....
    Well...there were a couple who wanted to stand against him but the Parliarmentary Party decided against having a contest, so that one really doesn't count as it never went through the whole process that the others did.
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    (Original post by TommyWannabe)
    Bad decision.

    He looks weird.
    A warm welcome to all the Daily Mail readers. Thought you'd be on FHM.com.
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    (Original post by TwinPoker)
    David 49.35 % Ed 50.65 %

    Very close
    At first glance yes, but this was only the final 'round' of voting. The other candidates got a look in too.
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Gordon Brown????? Sorry, cant stop laughing suggesting that.....
    Huh? I was making a joke that only the conservative party made decent prime ministers (even if it is true:woo: )
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    if i was a labour supporter i would probably give up now
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    (Original post by Prince Rhyus)
    Well...there were a couple who wanted to stand against him but the Parliarmentary Party decided against having a contest, so that one really doesn't count as it never went through the whole process that the others did.
    True, but no-one would have been able to beat him at that time. Had the contest run he would have won it for sure
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Huh? I was making a joke that only the conservative party made decent prime ministers (even if it is true:woo: )
    I know you were, so was i making a joke that Gordon Brown was a good PM
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    (Original post by dpb23)
    A warm welcome to all the Daily Mail readers. Thought you'd be on FHM.com.
    Yes, because Gordon Brown's public image was helped massively by the constant focus on his appearance.

    Are you stupid enough to think that people in this country vote on policy?

    :rolleyes:
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    Firstly as a Labour supporter im bitterly dissapointed that David didnt win, he already has proved himself to have good ideas in his work at the foreign office and feel he has a stronger personality and authority about him to win an election, the MP's agreed, the party members agreed just not the Unions, didnt he think tht he should have said a few nice words early on to get them on side!?!?

    Ed will crumble when under pressure, the guy would make an excellent cabinet member as hes obviously intelligent but never gona be PM.

    Hopefully after the next election (or sooner) he can make way for his brother.

    Even Brown compared to him is a heavy weight given his experience and would love to have him back (though this wouldnt necessarily win votes!).
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    So basically, a load of people who aren't in the Labour Party have chosen a leader that the Labour Party didn't select, and won more 1st, 2nd, and 3rd placed votes overall?

    What's more, he only seems to have won because of 'block' union support, in return for further left-wing policies which seem to have been written to appease unions rather than help the vast majority of people?

    It smacks of complete lunacy. In fact, it's enough to put a lot of people off the Labour Party, including me.

    What's more, everyone on this thread can see this.

    Just, why.
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    *sigh*
    I miss Gordon Brown
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    (Original post by SomethingWicked)
    *sigh*
    I miss Gordon Brown
    Yes! Finally a like mind...

    People give me a crazy look when I say I liked him!
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    so there are people that liked Gordon? :p:

    he was better than Tory Bliar in fairness, but EM seems a much better politician than Brown, might actually win an election too...
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    (Original post by Jordan656)
    Yes! Finally a like mind...

    People give me a crazy look when I say I liked him!
    He was awkward as hell, but at least he was trust-worthy (as far as politicians go!). Seeing Osborne as Chancellor makes me want to cry!
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    As a Tory voter, this was the best result possible.

    Thanks morons!
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    (Original post by SomethingWicked)
    He was awkward as hell, but at least he was trust-worthy (as far as politicians go!). Seeing Osborne as Chancellor makes me want to cry!
    Yes, and he actually understood economics! And he seemed more respected on the international stage. If someone has to phone Iran at 3am and ******* for - insert Iran crisis of the week here - surely Gordon was the man for that?
 
 
 
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