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    (Original post by Bellissima)
    Seeing as they use a very sharp knife both the carotid artery and jugular would be slit so the death would be practically instantaneous with hardly enough time to feel pain, so even if they did it'd be for like 1 millisecond. Plus the shock would probably stop the pain being felt. Like if you get punched in the face you don't feel the pain until like 5 seconds after.
    Halal slaughter is anything but instantaneous.

    Watch the video and tell me those animals are having a painless death.
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    (Original post by Bellissima)
    I never really knew what made halal meat different from normal meat, and I just looked it up here http://www.thekitchn.com/thekitchn/g...al-meat-060979

    and to me that doesn't sound cruel, so why the bad rep? even if it's not unconscious it's going to be an instant death with the throat slitting.. and once it's dead it's dead so why does it matter that it's hung upside down after?
    It has been confirmed fairly recently that halal slaughter is in fact more painful than an animal being stunned first.

    In any case, the method of preparing meat in this way was originally for hygiene reasons - in hot countries where there were no ways to refrigerate the carcass, draining the blood often meant that it lasted longer.

    I don't know why it has been mutated into this kind of religious ritual.
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    (Original post by CombineHarvester)
    I've seen several halal slaughters and you're right. After its throat is cut there's a pause, then about 3-5 seconds of panic then it eyes go droopy and it dies. When blood pours out its limbs thrash about, stop (when it dies) and then thrash about again. With mechanical slaughter the animal still feels the pain but it is paralysed so you can't see it move as much. In any case, when the blood pressure in the head drops considerably, i.e. when its throat is cut the brain is deprived of oxygen so it is a little ridiculous to think it can function enough to feel pain for more than a few seconds.
    the thrashing about it also probably the nerve reactions because when you kill a fish by hitting it on the head it lurches about a bit for a few seconds even though it's dead.
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    (Original post by FyreFight)
    If we're going to treat them to some unpleasantries, what's the harm in condemning them to a little bit more unnecessary torture whilst we're at it? That's your logic?

    Are you sane?

    Nobody's saying slaughterhouses are pleasant, yet most want to minimise the harm. You don't seem to understand this.
    Minimise the harm my ass. Most people don't give a crap. There was discussion in another thread about making it a requirement to put on menus and such when meat is halal, but people laughed when similar requirements were suggested for much more horrifying common practices in the meat industry. There are many, many much more horrible things that go on than halal slaughter, and the anti-halal protesters never argue against them. Until they do, I'll just regard them as a bunch of racist *******s, because they clearly don't really care about the animals suffering or they'd be campaigning against other barbaric and avoidable practices.

    This isn't to say I like the halal method of slaughter, I don't - I just think that anyone who speaks against it either cares about the animal, in which case why the hell are they not raging about many worse things that go on in the meat industry, or racist, in which case there's really not much point arguing with them, you just have to hope they won't act on their prejudices.

    Most of the meat you and I eat came from animals that suffered much worse things than a few seconds of pain halal slaugher, and most of the anti-halal crowd don't give a damn about that. It's preposterous.

    Anyway, going to sleep now dude. If you or anyone else quotes this, I'll reply tomorrow.
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    (Original post by Bellissima)
    Yeah but I don't really want to see it get killed, because I doubt I'd be able to eat a sunday roast ever again.
    If you eat meat, you should at least have the decency to be able to watch your "food's" last moments of life. If you can't do this, you simply don't deserve to eat meat. This is disgusting :nothing:
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    (Original post by 123450)
    It has been confirmed fairly recently that halal slaughter is in fact more painful than an animal being stunned first.

    In any case, the method of preparing meat in this way was originally for hygiene reasons - in hot countries where there were no ways to refrigerate the carcass, draining the blood often meant that it lasted longer.

    I don't know why it has been mutated into this kind of religious ritual.
    because a lot of the laws put in the old testament/whatever the muslim equivelant is were put there for hygene reasons, but since they were put down as religious laws they stayed around even after other hygene methods surpassed them.
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    (Original post by Lilyful)
    If you eat meat, you should at least have the decency to be able to watch your "food's" last moments of life. If you can't do this, you simply don't deserve to eat meat. This is disgusting :nothing:
    Um, seriously? Why?
    I have no problem watching a fish or pheasant or anything be killed/shot but I wouldn't want to go to an abattoir.. and I've been brought up with farming people, we own sheep/cows whatever that are killed for meat but I wouldn't want to go watch it happen.
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    (Original post by Bellissima)
    the thrashing about it also probably the nerve reactions because when you kill a fish by hitting it on the head it lurches about a bit for a few seconds even though it's dead.
    A chicken runs about for ages after it's head is cut off, hence the phrase running about like a headless chicken.
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    (Original post by Lifesharker)
    Minimise the harm my ass. Most people don't give a crap. There was discussion in another thread about making it a requirement to put on menus and such when meat is halal, but people laughed when similar requirements were suggested for much more horrifying common practices in the meat industry. There are many, many much more horrible things that go on than halal slaughter, and the anti-halal protesters never argue against them. Until they do, I'll just regard them as a bunch of racist *******s, because they clearly don't really care about the animals suffering or they'd be campaigning against other barbaric and avoidable practices.

    This isn't to say I like the halal method of slaughter, I don't - I just think that anyone who speaks against it either cares about the animal, in which case why the hell are they not raging about many worse things that go on in the meat industry, or racist, in which case there's really not much point arguing with them, you just have to hope they won't act on their prejudices.

    Most of the meat you and I eat came from animals that suffered much worse things than a few seconds of pain halal slaugher, and most of the anti-halal crowd don't give a damn about that. It's preposterous.
    Ah, I understand your position now - if it's not the worst possible example, it means nothing, and therefore anybody who campaigns against it is an intrinsic racist.

    Utterly absurd.
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    (Original post by Land-based mammal)
    The main purpose of Halal meat is that you recite "Bismillahi" before slaughtering the animal, also the halal method of slaughter is considered the most humane method of slaughter and has been for centuries, also the meat stays fresher.
    The most humane method of slaughter, until the development of modern methods tailored toward human treatment. Now it's just primitive barbarism.

    And there's nothing about killing an animal whilst it's still conscious and able to feel pain that makes the meat last longer.
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    (Original post by FyreFight)
    Ah, I understand your position now -if it's not the worst possible example, it means nothing, and therefore anybody who campaigns against it is an intrinsic racist.

    Utterly absurd.
    I'm not saying that, and I'd thank you not to put words in my mouth. I'm not saying anyone who argues against it is an intrinsic racist. What I'm saying is that anyone who argues against is but doesn't give a crap about the many more barbaric practices - ie pretty much everyone who argues against halal slaugther in these threads - only has a problem with it because it's a religious thing and is thus pretty racist. The very, very few who have an issue with it from a genuine cruelty point of view and thus argue against it along with a range of other cruel practices, those few have my respect. If you're a vegetarian or someone who, when they get a burger, checks to make sure they animal that burger came from didn't undergo any of the common, avoidable and undeniably cruel practices in this video or others, then I'll respect you. Unfortunately, I've yet to find a single poster in these halal threads like that.

    As an example, the stunning method is unreliable, and in a lot of places the only difference between halal and non-halal slaughter is the stunning beforehand. Which is spectacularly unreliable. So there's pretty much no difference whether you make halal slaughter illegal or not. Argue against that method of slaughter in general and propose something painless for all slaughter, you have my backing. Argue against halal specifically, **** off.
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    (Original post by Lilyful)
    If you eat meat, you should at least have the decency to be able to watch your "food's" last moments of life. If you can't do this, you simply don't deserve to eat meat. This is disgusting :nothing:
    I'm guessing you're an animal-loving vegetarian? Regardless, that's nonsense.
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    (Original post by Panda Bear)
    Erm... this is ********.

    I agree, i'd think you were some kind of sadistic freak if you decided to go check out a slaughter down your local abattoir one saturday afternoon.
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    (Original post by Bellissima)
    Seeing as they use a very sharp knife both the carotid artery and jugular would be slit so the death would be practically instantaneous with hardly enough time to feel pain, so even if they did it'd be for like 1 millisecond. Plus the shock would probably stop the pain being felt. Like if you get punched in the face you don't feel the pain until like 5 seconds after.
    Sorry, your grasp of medical science is very flawed here.
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    (Original post by Lifesharker)
    I'm not saying that, and I'd thank you not to put words in my mouth. I'm not saying anyone who argues against it is an intrinsic racist. What I'm saying is that anyone who argues against is but doesn't give a crap about the many more barbaric practices - ie pretty much everyone who argues against halal slaugther in these threads - only has a problem with it because it's a religious thing and is thus pretty racist. The very, very few who have an issue with it from a genuine cruelty point of view and thus argue against it along with a range of other cruel practices, those few have my respect. If you're a vegetarian or someone who, when they get a burger, checks to make sure they animal that burger came from didn't undergo any of the common, avoidable and undeniably cruel practices in this video or others, then I'll respect you. Unfortunately, I've yet to find a single poster in these halal threads like that.
    Have you spoken to each poster in threads like these, to understand their feelings on other aspects of the meat industry? I'm willing to hazard a guess that you haven't. It's absurdly arrogant of you to presuppose the reasons people argue against Halal. Most people who disagree with it do so because it is unnecessarily barbaric, regardless of any context of that barbarism.

    If they particularly dislike it because it's only practised due to religious superstition, then that's an entirely reasonable position for them to hold too. I'm somewhat shocked that you are unable to differentiate between religion and race.
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    (Original post by Casinomaster)
    Sorry, your grasp of medical science is very flawed here.
    Ok then, I'm no medical expert. Maybe you could explain exactly what would happen and for how long they would be consciously feeling pain if the major veins/arteries in the neck were slit with a sharp knife in one swipe?
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    (Original post by Bellissima)
    Ok then, I'm no medical expert. Maybe you could explain exactly what would happen and for how long they would be consciously feeling pain if the major veins/arteries in the neck were slit with a sharp knife in one swipe?
    Up to half a minute, sometimes longer.

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/...slaughter.html
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    Because letting an animal feel its brain melt is more humane, you know because it doesnt get blood all over...
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    (Original post by FyreFight)
    Have you spoken to each poster in threads like these, to understand their feelings on other aspects of the meat industry? I'm willing to hazard a guess that you haven't. It's absurdly arrogant of you to presuppose the reasons people argue against Halal. Most people who disagree with it, do so because it is unnecessarily barbaric, regardless of the context of that barbarism.
    Right, firstly the name calling (absurdly arrogant and such) crap is unneeded. I haven't done any of that to you and I don't intend to.

    As an example, the stunning method is unreliable, and in a lot of places the only difference between halal and non-halal slaughter is the stunning beforehand. Which is spectacularly unreliable. So there's pretty much no difference there whether you make halal slaughter illegal or not. Argue against that method of slaughter in general and propose something painless for all slaughter, you have my backing, otherwise no. Oddly, when I've pointed this out to anti-halal protesters in the past, they've started ignoring me. Can't imagine why.

    If you fancy trawling through this thread, you'll find loads of instances of outraged people ignoring perfectly sensible questions like "if you want "this meat is halal" on the menu do you want "this meat was battery farmed" and such on the menu", or indeed outright saying that the numerous other types of cruelties are "different" and continuing to argue against halal after it being quite open and apparent that they don't care about any other, worse cruelties they suffer. I'll have a quick look through and did out the worst examples for you in the morning, if you want, but it's gone 2 am right now and I really need me sleep .
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    (Original post by Bellissima)
    Ok then, I'm no medical expert. Maybe you could explain exactly what would happen and for how long they would be consciously feeling pain if the major veins/arteries in the neck were slit with a sharp knife in one swipe?
    I can't give you an exact time to the second but as someone else has said up to half a minute on average. If you slit your own throat I guarantee you would be aware and suffer for long enough to not wish it upon anything else.
 
 
 
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