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    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show....php?t=1433093

    Oh look.
    YouGov’s weekly voting intention for the Sunday Times is CON 42%, LAB 38%, LDEM 12%.
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    Many Labour politicians were as well. In fact you'd be hard-pressed to find a politician from any party who was never 'privileged'. Nick Clegg probably had an even wealthier background than Cameron. Then there's people like Diane Abbott, attacking parents sending kids to private schools, then turns around and does exactly the same with her sons.
    Sure, what we might call the 'political classes' are generally dominated by those from comfortable backgrounds, no argument there. Nevertheless, Cameron, Osborne and Boris are not just from comfortable backgrounds, they're from among the most privileged group; they are all from very wealthy families and have been socialised through the most exclusive of private educations. Clegg's a good example, actually, no wonder he was so keen to help the tories, lol
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    Sure, what we might call the 'political classes' are generally dominated by those from comfortable backgrounds, no argument there. Nevertheless, Cameron, Osborne and Boris are not just from comfortable backgrounds, they're from among the most privileged group; they are all from very wealthy families and have been socialised through the most exclusive of private educations. Clegg's a good example, actually, no wonder he was so keen to help the tories, lol
    Cameron actually has royal blood in him and most likely his family as a result has huge inherited wealth passed down.
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    5 years won't be enough time to repair the damage that Labours done, surely the public won't be so stupid to....




    Oh god....
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    Cameron should call an election, in my opinion. It's the right thing to do. He and his scum coalition have no mandate to govern. The Lib Dem voters were betrayed by Clegg.

    Now that Labour are up and running, let's go to the country, Mr Cameron, so that we can finish you off once and for all!
    yaaa go labour (Y)
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    Don't mean to burst your bubble, but you don't predict 'defeat' after a period of less than 6 months. Perhaps wait till December 2014 before making outlandish predictions?

    And as it stands, a lack of substance on the part of Labour won't do themselves any favours. I could see Labour going through 4 Leaders before they return to Government. I hope that lasts a period of more than 50 years.
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    (Original post by Stanley Baldwin)
    Don't mean to burst your bubble, but you don't predict 'defeat' after a period of less than 6 months. Perhaps wait till December 2014 before making outlandish predictions?

    And as it stands, a lack of substance on the part of Labour won't do themselves any favours. I could see Labour going through 4 Leaders before they return to Government. I hope that lasts a period of more than 50 years.
    I like how you're so sure this Parliament will last 5 years. An opposition has to be ready to provide government at any time, and the Government could well collapse and an election could be called by May 2011 if say the AV referendum fails. Not looking likely yet but 7 months is a long way away.
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    (Original post by Teh User)
    I like how you're so sure this Parliament will last 5 years. An opposition has to be ready to provide government at any time, and the Government could well collapse and an election could be called by May 2011 if say the AV referendum fails. Not looking likely yet but 7 months is a long way away.
    For a starter the first thing this government done was introduced a fixed term 5 year parliament. Also they are working fine together by the looks of things and clegg and cameron work together.
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    (Original post by The_Great_One)
    For a starter the first thing this government done was introduced a fixed term 5 year parliament. Also they are working fine together by the looks of things and clegg and cameron work together.
    The Fixed Term Parliaments Bill hasn't even passed through Parliament yet, and Parliament can be dissolved on a simple majority vote even after this bill receives Royal Assent so in no way is Parliament totally fixed to 5 years. Even if it was, the government could fall and be replaced. A lot of things can change in five months as well. The rifts are already starting to appear on tuition fees, the cuts and even the AV referendum and a lot of people believe a major rebellion by either hardline Tories or disappointed Lib Dems on issues like AV or tuition fees could cause the Parliament to fall.
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    (Original post by Teh User)
    The Fixed Term Parliaments Bill hasn't even passed through Parliament yet, and Parliament can be dissolved on a simple majority vote even after this bill receives Royal Assent so in no way is Parliament totally fixed to 5 years. Even if it was, the government could fall and be replaced. A lot of things can change in five months as well. The rifts are already starting to appear on tuition fees, the cuts and even the AV referendum and a lot of people believe a major rebellion by either hardline Tories or disappointed Lib Dems on issues like AV or tuition fees could cause the Parliament to fall.
    The fact that nick clegg is pushing it through suggests to me that he wants to work with cameron. Your just a bitter labour supporter. Infact id even put my money on it that next election the conservatives will get the majority. This country has a love for the conservatives for example after the miners strikes they were voted back in for another 2 parliaments. The rifts have already started in the NEW labour party as well their not even in government and theyve got brothers fighting, alan johnston refusing to take questions, people disagreeing on things and mandelson dropping everyone in the crap, that stupid woman saying that labour have done horrible things on purpose to people, the fact that your chancellor disagrees with ed milliband suggests theirs real problems. What makes you so confident i dont know.
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    (Original post by Ewan)
    Got at least another few years of Conservatives yet
    If the electorate has the backbone that the French and Spanish have, they will take to the streets after the Chancellor's speech tomorrow lunch-time and the ensuing riots over the following weeks will lead to an election out of necessity as the country will declare no confidence in the coaltion.

    The government has a very weak electoral mandate and cannot survive for another few years, imo.
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    If the electorate has the backbone that the French and Spanish have, they will take to the streets after the Chancellor's speech tomorrow lunch-time and the ensuing riots over the following weeks will lead to an election out of necessity as the country will declare no confidence in the coaltion.

    The government has a very weak electoral mandate and cannot survive for another few years, imo.
    Would u rather the country went bankrupt or would u rather cuts were made. Labour has no mandate to govern the people have shown they dont like labour anymore and they have chosen the tories. This will continue for another few terms yet i hope.
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    (Original post by The_Great_One)
    The fact that nick clegg is pushing it through suggests to me that he wants to work with cameron. Your just a bitter labour supporter. Infact id even put my money on it that next election the conservatives will get the majority. This country has a love for the conservatives for example after the miners strikes they were voted back in for another 2 parliaments. The rifts have already started in the NEW labour party as well their not even in government and theyve got brothers fighting, alan johnston refusing to take questions, people disagreeing on things and mandelson dropping everyone in the crap, that stupid woman saying that labour have done horrible things on purpose to people, the fact that your chancellor disagrees with ed milliband suggests theirs real problems. What makes you so confident i dont know.
    To be fairly honest, your argument is rather weak. You didn't counter one point I said about the current rifts appearing, and simply went on the attack of a party I'm not a staunch supporter of using outdated arguments. Fact of the matter is, two parties who launched searing attacks on each other six months ago are more likely to split than a mostly united party under the early weeks of a new leadership, even if some of the old Blairite/Brownite tendencies are simmering underneath at the moment.

    Nick Clegg is pushing through with the Fixed Term Parliaments Bill because it's in his party's long term interest and was in his party manifesto and slipped into the Coalition Agreement, not for the benefit of him working with David Cameron. This does not affect the ability to call a vote of no confidence.

    Even the Tories understand that there's a significant chance they will be voted out for a generation when the next election comes, due to the amount of hate these cuts are going to generate. If the country loves the Tories so much, why didn't they get a majority this year even though Mr Brown was despised so much?
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    (Original post by The_Great_One)
    Would u rather the country went bankrupt or would u rather cuts were made. Labour has no mandate to govern the people have shown they dont like labour anymore and they have chosen the tories. This will continue for another few terms yet i hope.
    The people haven't chosen the Tories. They chose no overall control. The Tories alone do not have a mandate to govern, the Tories with the Lib Dems do have a mandate to govern, but both parties must be taken into account, which at the moment I don't believe is the case.
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    (Original post by The_Great_One)
    Would u rather the country went bankrupt or would u rather cuts were made. Labour has no mandate to govern the people have shown they dont like labour anymore and they have chosen the tories. This will continue for another few terms yet i hope.
    The people will decide...and it could very well be a lot sooner than you expect.

    The country is far from bankrupt...we are hosting the Olympics in 2012 and are vying for the World Cup in 2018. All that requires massive amounts of money to be spent...money which is available.

    The Tories are using the old TINA mantra as an excuse to cut spending, period...spending that they will not reinstate even if the deficit is wiped-out. That is the mentality of right-wing government...keep a very healthy war-chest to help our obscenely rich brothers, regardless of anything else.
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    Well heres the problem. The Liberal Democrat voters supposedly feel betrayed despite the fact they voted for a party promising PR aka a system of government where Coalitions are essential. They voted for the Lib Dems, and the result was a Hung Parliament, they have no right to complain they didn't want this because they voted for a Party that wanted this system in place. You can't vote for Coalitions in PR and this is the result, they should get over it. If there Party isn't showing a backbone its there problem

    Might I also add, the Tories won't break the coalition within 5 years unless they are certain they can get a majority government. And the Lib Dems won't end the Coalition while polling remains at its current level. They are playing a patient game where they hope the economic benefits after 5 years will see them re-elected.
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    (Original post by Will Lucky)
    Might I also add, the Tories won't break the coalition within 5 years unless they are certain they can get a majority government. And the Lib Dems won't end the Coalition while polling remains at its current level. They are playing a patient game where they hope the economic benefits after 5 years will see them re-elected.
    I disagree. I think that after a while the government will break down leading to a Tory minority or an election. I don't think that if the parties begin to disagree on issues fundamental to their political platform, they'll stay together. If they did, both parties would be betraying their ideology and the amount of rebellions would lead to a loss in a vote of no confidence.
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    (Original post by Teh User)
    I disagree. I think that after a while the government will break down leading to a Tory minority or an election. I don't think that if the parties begin to disagree on issues fundamental to their political platform, they'll stay together. If they did, both parties would be betraying their ideology and the amount of rebellions would lead to a loss in a vote of no confidence.
    We have seen numerous pieces of legislation be agreed that has yet to be voted down or show any real signs of rebellion. With the Lib Dems polling so low, there MP's would be fearful of rebelling because many of their safe seats are up for grabs.

    The Tories do remain the most likely to rebel, but that is yet to be seen. And the legislation would have to be seriously bad in order to get the Right Wing to go against them. And I can't see that happening if ideas such as AV can get through.
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    (Original post by Teh User)
    I like how you're so sure this Parliament will last 5 years. An opposition has to be ready to provide government at any time, and the Government could well collapse and an election could be called by May 2011 if say the AV referendum fails. Not looking likely yet but 7 months is a long way away.
    I have faith that the government will survive a full five year term. That is quite different to Gordon Brown's failure of a government that just managed to survive for just under three years. And that was a single party majority government. Oh dear.

    1) Liberal Democrats realise that if they sink the government, they will receive the wrath of the voters.

    2) AV Referendum was a point of the Coalition Agreement. Having a 'Yes' vote is not a condition of the coalition holding together.

    So why will this government collapse? I have seen a lot of unity for a two-party coalition government, especially compared to that disastrous Brown government.
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    (Original post by Stanley Baldwin)
    I have faith that the government will survive a full five year term. That is quite different to Gordon Brown's failure of a government that just managed to survive for just under three years. And that was a single party majority government. Oh dear.

    1) Liberal Democrats realise that if they sink the government, they will receive the wrath of the voters.

    2) AV Referendum was a point of the Coalition Agreement. Having a 'Yes' vote is not a condition of the coalition holding together.

    So why will this government collapse? I have seen a lot of unity for a two-party coalition government, especially compared to that disastrous Brown government.
    I still think it will collapse. It took over a year for any opposition to Brown to materialise and it all fizzled out despite some moaning dissenters. We're only 6 months into the coalition though, that is the big thing.

    Meanwhile in the coalition it's quite similar. The moaning dissenters are still there in the coalition on both sides, and you never know, they may unite to stop the government if they believe they hold a chance of getting a higher vote, which is why I think if the AV referendum fails, a lot of Lib Dems will kick their toys out of the pram. Five years is a massively long time for a government. 5 years ago we still had Tony Blair and the fallout of Iraq was still coming along, and the extra security with 7/7 was only just beginning.
 
 
 
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