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    I did a bit of reading on it, but I am not too sure, I hear they stick a icepick through your eye into your brain to destroy it or something.

    I think that's sick, and I don't know how and why someone would choose to do that. Moreover, I don't really understand how doing that is related to medicine.
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    It cuts a part of your brain.. It was done as a cure for schizophrenia and other mental disorders I think. It worked.

    Only thing was, it destroyed more than just the disorder.
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    (Original post by lightburns)
    It cuts a part of your brain.. It was done as a cure for schizophrenia and other mental disorders I think. It worked.

    Only thing was, it destroyed more than just the disorder.
    ah okay thanks...seems completely unethical to me, I pondered over this question after I finished watching the movie shutter island
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    (Original post by lightburns)
    It cuts a part of your brain.. It was done as a cure for schizophrenia and other mental disorders I think. It worked.

    Only thing was, it destroyed more than just the disorder.
    To say it "worked" is to use a very, very loose definition of the word. I guess it's just a lot harder to express how hallucinations are bugging you when you can't think. Totally inhuman.


    Why is this in GUD?
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    To say it "worked" is to use a very, very loose definition of the word. I guess it's just a lot harder to express how hallucinations are bugging you when you can't think. Totally inhuman
    I only meant it in a very loose definition of the word. 'It worked' in the same way as a cure for Restless Leg Syndrome would be to cut off your legs. Well, it stops the symptoms, doesn't it?!

    (Original post by Adam Ben)
    ah okay thanks...seems completely unethical to me, I pondered over this question after I finished watching the movie shutter island
    Yes, it is completely unethical. Unfortunately, they only realised this after having done 10s of 1000s of operations to people for a variety of reasons.

    I also suggest the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. It's an old but brilliant movie. You can probably get it cheap, or on youtube if you're even cheaper :P
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    (Original post by lightburns)
    I only meant it in a very loose definition of the word. 'It worked' in the same way as a cure for Restless Leg Syndrome would be to cut off your legs. Well, it stops the symptoms, doesn't it?!
    yeah, that's true.

    Sorry, I wasn't really attacking you, maybe I phrased it wrong, I just kind of confirming that you actually knew what it did.

    (Original post by lightburns)
    Yes, it is completely unethical. Unfortunately, they only realised this after having done 10s of 1000s of operations to people for a variety of reasons.
    Not really. They were doing them way up until the first antipsychotic meds were available.
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    yeah, that's true.

    Sorry, I wasn't really attacking you, maybe I phrased it wrong, I just kind of confirming that you actually knew what it did.
    Then it was me who phrased it wrong - I knew you weren't attacking me, obviously it didn't look like I knew that xD

    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    Not really. They were doing them way up until the first antipsychotic meds were available.
    Ouch.. What really sucks about the whole lobotomy issue is that you are dealing with people with mental disorders - who often therefore aren't so able to stand up for themselves. If they try, people can just ignore them because they are just 'the crazy guy'. It was a terrible situation, once again in this thread I mention One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. That film is almost all I know about this period of time and lobotomy :P
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    www.patient.co.uk

    Type in lobotomy. Your one stop shop for clinical info and God-send for your PBL needs (if you are intending to do a PBL course).
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    (Original post by lightburns)
    Then it was me who phrased it wrong - I knew you weren't attacking me, obviously it didn't look like I knew that xD


    Ouch.. What really sucks about the whole lobotomy issue is that you are dealing with people with mental disorders - who often therefore aren't so able to stand up for themselves. If they try, people can just ignore them because they are just 'the crazy guy'. It was a terrible situation, once again in this thread I mention One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. That film is almost all I know about this period of time and lobotomy :P
    Although I saw it a few years ago, I swear there is no reference to lobotomy in this film???

    Watch shutter island though! That film is immense.
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    (Original post by larry000)
    Although I saw it a few years ago, I swear there is no reference to lobotomy in this film???

    Watch shutter island though! That film is immense.
    Realise one thing... I know almost nothing about lobotomy! I'm not saying it has a lot in. Quick skim of wikipedia (for dry facts) + film (for the emotional 'oh ****' response) = all I know.

    I don't want to ruin it for everyone else, so SPOILERS
    Spoiler:
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    The main guy. At the end. Notice the cuts on his head? I'm assuming those are lobotomy scars.
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    When you think about how nasty it is, you should remember how awful mental illness is and the morbidity and mortality that go along with it.
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    A few (about 15/year in the UK is a figure I've seen quoted, for 2001) are still carried out, though it's a less drastic prefrontal leucotomy. It was horribly misused in the past but it's not inherently unethical any more than any other treatment, though the fact that the consequences are permanent means that it's inappropriate for any but the most severe illness. It can only be used with the patient's consent and if recommended by two independent psychiatrists, a higher hurdle than for any other treatment.

    Cinematic portrayals of psychiatric treatment can be very engaging but can depict treatments very emotively - electroconvulsive therapy for example can be extremely effective for severe depression, but people are put off by its negative portrayal (which do in turn reflect misuse in the past). It's ECT in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest IIRC, not psychosurgery.
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    (Original post by Huw Davies)
    A few (about 15/year in the UK is a figure I've seen quoted, for 2001) are still carried out, though it's a less drastic prefrontal leucotomy. It was horribly misused in the past but it's not inherently unethical any more than any other treatment, though the fact that the consequences are permanent means that it's inappropriate for any but the most severe illness. It can only be used with the patient's consent and if recommended by two independent psychiatrists, a higher hurdle than for any other treatment.

    Cinematic portrayals of psychiatric treatment can be very engaging but can depict treatments very emotively - electroconvulsive therapy for example can be extremely effective for severe depression, but people are put off by its negative portrayal (which do in turn reflect misuse in the past). It's ECT in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest IIRC, not psychosurgery.
    I believe he has both in the end.
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    I remember hearing it in TimeSplitters a lot :moon:
 
 
 

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