That is terrible planning by the university.(Original post by stayce88)
They said there have been cuts this year and there was only, say 25 bursaries for 40 students, so it was given out on a 1st come 1st served basis on who sent the forms back the quickest. Obviously I wasnt one of them
Don't they normally adjust intake by money they get from the government? That's the impression I got anyway.
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- 06-10-2010 02:23
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- 06-10-2010 10:36
(Original post by Hana_87)
Hello,
Does anyone know if the usual funding is still going to be available for students doing a PGCE in September 2011?
I have applied and am currently filling in an application form for the usual student loans & grants but read a newspaper article a couple of days ago which suggested the government are cutting funding for education by quite a bit.. -
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- 06-10-2010 11:10
(Original post by stayce88)
apparently not, the words were 'the bursary is not an entitlement but a privilege'
TDA Bursary Funding Manual 2010-11 for PGCEs & SKEs
I looked through it, the TDA manual implies entitlement subject to eligibility, not availability.
Specifically complain with regards to Section 2.4. Then complain that Eligibility Criterion 6 is insufficient reason for a ITT provider to deny eligibility of bursary given that you fulfill all other criteria in Section 6.2. Specifically question if the University actually follows another set of guidelines aside from the offical TDA Funding Manual (hopefully, the answer is a rhetorical "no" ).Last edited by The-Real-One; 06-10-2010 at 11:26. -
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- 06-10-2010 14:13
(Original post by stayce88)
Awesome, thanx ill look into that
they have said they are following the HEFCE rules?
In anycase, is your course supposed to be called a PCE or PCET FE? I ask because for example from this website:
http://www.uel.ac.uk/studentservices...cestudents.htm
A distinction is made between courses on where the funding comes from. for PCET students, it says money is from the HEFCE and not all students will get bursary (£7k or £4k) due to funding shortages. Where as PGCE funding (£9k/£6k/£4k) seems to back up what I thought as it's from the TDA.
If that's the case, then well.
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- 06-10-2010 15:28
Have the HEFCE bursary figures changed? In 2009/10, I am almost certain they were £9000 and £6000 for priority and secondary subjects respectively; I got these figures from Exeter who ran a post-compulsory course until this year.
stayce88's degree is straddled between 'multi-media studies' and 'media studies' (comes under English, Media Studies and Performing Arts) so that is problematic in itself but, if they suggested that you would receive a bursary when you applied, stayce88, I would drop out of the programme, and contact and give your evidence to Lifelong Learning UK. I almost certain Birmingham City will be heavily fined for over recruiting students if stayce88's story is true.
I have checked more recent documents and it does seem that they reduced the bursary for 2010/11. Lifelong learning UK state that bursaries are administered by the learning provider, but the point about over-recruitment still stands as the universities' budget is worked out by the number of eligible students they have had over the last two years, which means they almost certainly knew they were over-recruiting.Last edited by evantej; 06-10-2010 at 15:36. -
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- 06-10-2010 16:15
there was talk about top up fees rising which is worrying because the bursary for primary is almost all spent on tuition fees as it stands. If the government decide to increase the top up fees or reduce the bursary i might have to do a GTP and where is the fun in that
? Much more fun to go back to uni.
Then on top of that people our age will have our retirement age pushed up to 70....
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- 06-10-2010 21:34
(Original post by velovelo)
there was talk about top up fees rising which is worrying because the bursary for primary is almost all spent on tuition fees as it stands. If the government decide to increase the top up fees or reduce the bursary i might have to do a GTP and where is the fun in that? Much more fun to go back to uni.
Then on top of that people our age will have our retirement age pushed up to 70....
I'm off to France guys see ya! -
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- 06-10-2010 21:44
(Original post by stayce88)
[...] evantej - They sent me a list of subjects under the general heading of 'english, media studies and performing arts' which were entitled to the bursary, among them was photography (which is my specialist subject that i have my placement in) and graphic design (which is my secondary subject)
I put them both on the form we had to send back with a 3rd choice off the list of multimedia studies which is what I did at ND level.
But they just say they were allocated a limited number number of training bursaries and I was one of the people who didnt get one
As I suggested before, contact Lifelong learning UK as soon as possible and explain your situation.Last edited by evantej; 06-10-2010 at 21:46. -
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- 08-10-2010 09:49
(Original post by stayce88)
as i expected, passing the buck, nothing to do with them apparently -
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- 13-10-2010 23:07
Hi Stacy,
You must be on my course - see my post. I am also not getting a bursary - I will look out for you and perhaps we can do something collectively.
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- 14-10-2010 18:10
I was also told that it was on a first come first served basis and the students who returned their forms earlier than me were successful. However, I returned my form on the day of receipt and having spoken to people on my course many left it to the last minute - something fishy is going on here. I suggest that we ask to see the records of application receipts????
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- 15-10-2010 13:15
(Original post by The-Real-One)
Out of interest. Are you filling in the student loans & grants application forms now for PGCE Sept 2011?
I am, yes. Are you? -
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- 15-10-2010 13:15
Has the spending for 2011 been announced yet?
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- 15-10-2010 13:19
(Original post by stayce88)
They said there have been cuts this year and there was only, say 25 bursaries for 40 students, so it was given out on a 1st come 1st served basis on who sent the forms back the quickest. Obviously I wasnt one of them
What uni is this? Because i've just spoken to mine and she said she'd never heard of that and it's total rubbish - everyone should be entitled to it! -
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- 15-10-2010 13:55
I know that the bursarys won't be announced until next week, but I thought I'd post in here to get some info. I'm on an MEC (so currently getting a bursary), but next year I'll be doing my PGCE. At the moment, I don't pay tuition fees, and don't get a student loan. Does anyone know what will happen with me next year? Will I have to pay the higher fees and be assessed along with the "new students" under the new government? And how would that even work?!
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- 15-10-2010 14:46
(Original post by Hana_87)
What uni is this? Because i've just spoken to mine and she said she'd never heard of that and it's total rubbish - everyone should be entitled to it! -
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- 15-10-2010 17:54
(Original post by linkdapink)
I know that the bursarys won't be announced until next week, but I thought I'd post in here to get some info. I'm on an MEC (so currently getting a bursary), but next year I'll be doing my PGCE. At the moment, I don't pay tuition fees, and don't get a student loan. Does anyone know what will happen with me next year? Will I have to pay the higher fees and be assessed along with the "new students" under the new government? And how would that even work?!
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- 15-10-2010 17:55
(Original post by evantej)
She goes (or went) to Birmingham City; the university clearly over-recruited which is why some of the PGCE PCT students did not receive a training bursary.
But surely this is the universities fault not hers? -
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- 15-10-2010 17:59
(Original post by Hana_87)
I am, yes. Are you? -
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- 15-10-2010 18:08
(Original post by linkdapink)
I know that the bursarys won't be announced until next week, but I thought I'd post in here to get some info. I'm on an MEC (so currently getting a bursary), but next year I'll be doing my PGCE. At the moment, I don't pay tuition fees, and don't get a student loan. Does anyone know what will happen with me next year? Will I have to pay the higher fees and be assessed along with the "new students" under the new government? And how would that even work?!
In anycase, the bursaries next year is more to do with the TDA, which cut bursaries last year for English, RE etc. But Maths *hopefully should* be safe. That is, if the TDA still exists. There seemed to be some doubt amongst the cull of all the quangos that the TDA might be axed.. Though apparently the newspapers put it as "unlikely" and nothings been mentioned for a while; unlikey the GTC which is definitely going to be axed.
In anycase, next Wednesday could be an absolute nightmare.
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