Hey there! Sign in to join this conversationNew here? Join for free
x Turn on thread page Beta
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by stayce88)
    They said there have been cuts this year and there was only, say 25 bursaries for 40 students, so it was given out on a 1st come 1st served basis on who sent the forms back the quickest. Obviously I wasnt one of them
    That is terrible planning by the university.

    Don't they normally adjust intake by money they get from the government? That's the impression I got anyway.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Hana_87)
    Hello,

    Does anyone know if the usual funding is still going to be available for students doing a PGCE in September 2011?

    I have applied and am currently filling in an application form for the usual student loans & grants but read a newspaper article a couple of days ago which suggested the government are cutting funding for education by quite a bit..
    Out of interest. Are you filling in the student loans & grants application forms now for PGCE Sept 2011?
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by stayce88)
    apparently not, the words were 'the bursary is not an entitlement but a privilege'
    Well, there's only one way to get ahead in life. Start complaining. First to the University then to the TDA.

    TDA Bursary Funding Manual 2010-11 for PGCEs & SKEs

    I looked through it, the TDA manual implies entitlement subject to eligibility, not availability.

    Specifically complain with regards to Section 2.4. Then complain that Eligibility Criterion 6 is insufficient reason for a ITT provider to deny eligibility of bursary given that you fulfill all other criteria in Section 6.2. Specifically question if the University actually follows another set of guidelines aside from the offical TDA Funding Manual (hopefully, the answer is a rhetorical "no" ).
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by stayce88)
    Awesome, thanx ill look into that
    they have said they are following the HEFCE rules?
    When you said "Post Compulsory", that means you're not teaching at Secondary or Primary school level right?

    In anycase, is your course supposed to be called a PCE or PCET FE? I ask because for example from this website:

    http://www.uel.ac.uk/studentservices...cestudents.htm

    A distinction is made between courses on where the funding comes from. for PCET students, it says money is from the HEFCE and not all students will get bursary (£7k or £4k) due to funding shortages. Where as PGCE funding (£9k/£6k/£4k) seems to back up what I thought as it's from the TDA.

    If that's the case, then well .
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    Have the HEFCE bursary figures changed? In 2009/10, I am almost certain they were £9000 and £6000 for priority and secondary subjects respectively; I got these figures from Exeter who ran a post-compulsory course until this year.

    stayce88's degree is straddled between 'multi-media studies' and 'media studies' (comes under English, Media Studies and Performing Arts) so that is problematic in itself but, if they suggested that you would receive a bursary when you applied, stayce88, I would drop out of the programme, and contact and give your evidence to Lifelong Learning UK. I almost certain Birmingham City will be heavily fined for over recruiting students if stayce88's story is true.

    I have checked more recent documents and it does seem that they reduced the bursary for 2010/11. Lifelong learning UK state that bursaries are administered by the learning provider, but the point about over-recruitment still stands as the universities' budget is worked out by the number of eligible students they have had over the last two years, which means they almost certainly knew they were over-recruiting.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    there was talk about top up fees rising which is worrying because the bursary for primary is almost all spent on tuition fees as it stands. If the government decide to increase the top up fees or reduce the bursary i might have to do a GTP and where is the fun in that:mad: ? Much more fun to go back to uni. Then on top of that people our age will have our retirement age pushed up to 70....

    I'm off to France guys see ya!:woo:
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by velovelo)
    there was talk about top up fees rising which is worrying because the bursary for primary is almost all spent on tuition fees as it stands. If the government decide to increase the top up fees or reduce the bursary i might have to do a GTP and where is the fun in that:mad: ? Much more fun to go back to uni. Then on top of that people our age will have our retirement age pushed up to 70....

    I'm off to France guys see ya!:woo:
    The training bursary is separate to tuition fees (and the maintenance grant), which you can get a loan for just like at undergraduate level. The training bursary is an incentive (like the golden hello was and still is in some subjects), but one that has become necessary for trainee teachers who often have higher living costs than most students, especially with regards to travel.
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by stayce88)
    [...] evantej - They sent me a list of subjects under the general heading of 'english, media studies and performing arts' which were entitled to the bursary, among them was photography (which is my specialist subject that i have my placement in) and graphic design (which is my secondary subject)
    I put them both on the form we had to send back with a 3rd choice off the list of multimedia studies which is what I did at ND level.

    But they just say they were allocated a limited number number of training bursaries and I was one of the people who didnt get one
    The training provider either knows specifically or has a very, very good idea about the number of bursaries they will receive (i.e. what they said about 'limited number') for each year. Given that there are 15 students in secondary subject not receiving bursaries (yourself included) it is clear negligence; you could understand one or two (i.e. more people took up their offers than the university expected), but 15 people is a huge financial deficit (some training providers do not even offer 15 places in total while Birmingham over-recruited by 15 people!), and the manner in which they allocated the bursaries was ridiculous. They should have suggested that you 15 defer your places until next year at the very least; it honestly looks like they are trying to screw you on the assumption that the coalition will change funding, thus they will no longer be held accountable.

    As I suggested before, contact Lifelong learning UK as soon as possible and explain your situation.
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by stayce88)
    as i expected, passing the buck, nothing to do with them apparently
    Mind copy and pasting the reply in here? It seems someone else is in your position.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    Hi Stacy,

    You must be on my course - see my post. I am also not getting a bursary - I will look out for you and perhaps we can do something collectively.

    See you on Monday or Thursday.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    I was also told that it was on a first come first served basis and the students who returned their forms earlier than me were successful. However, I returned my form on the day of receipt and having spoken to people on my course many left it to the last minute - something fishy is going on here. I suggest that we ask to see the records of application receipts????
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by The-Real-One)
    Out of interest. Are you filling in the student loans & grants application forms now for PGCE Sept 2011?

    I am, yes. Are you?
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    Has the spending for 2011 been announced yet?
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by stayce88)
    They said there have been cuts this year and there was only, say 25 bursaries for 40 students, so it was given out on a 1st come 1st served basis on who sent the forms back the quickest. Obviously I wasnt one of them

    What uni is this? Because i've just spoken to mine and she said she'd never heard of that and it's total rubbish - everyone should be entitled to it!
    Offline

    15
    ReputationRep:
    I know that the bursarys won't be announced until next week, but I thought I'd post in here to get some info. I'm on an MEC (so currently getting a bursary), but next year I'll be doing my PGCE. At the moment, I don't pay tuition fees, and don't get a student loan. Does anyone know what will happen with me next year? Will I have to pay the higher fees and be assessed along with the "new students" under the new government? And how would that even work?!
    Offline

    18
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Hana_87)
    What uni is this? Because i've just spoken to mine and she said she'd never heard of that and it's total rubbish - everyone should be entitled to it!
    She goes (or went) to Birmingham City; the university clearly over-recruited which is why some of the PGCE PCT students did not receive a training bursary.
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by linkdapink)
    I know that the bursarys won't be announced until next week, but I thought I'd post in here to get some info. I'm on an MEC (so currently getting a bursary), but next year I'll be doing my PGCE. At the moment, I don't pay tuition fees, and don't get a student loan. Does anyone know what will happen with me next year? Will I have to pay the higher fees and be assessed along with the "new students" under the new government? And how would that even work?!

    Why can't you get a student loan?
    • Thread Starter
    Offline

    1
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by evantej)
    She goes (or went) to Birmingham City; the university clearly over-recruited which is why some of the PGCE PCT students did not receive a training bursary.

    But surely this is the universities fault not hers?
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by Hana_87)
    I am, yes. Are you?
    No.. I have a conditional PGCE offer for Sept 2011, one of the conditions which is the succesful completion of a 6 month MEC (subject enhancement course) this year but my PGCE university haven't asked me to fill in any forms regarding funding.
    Offline

    0
    ReputationRep:
    (Original post by linkdapink)
    I know that the bursarys won't be announced until next week, but I thought I'd post in here to get some info. I'm on an MEC (so currently getting a bursary), but next year I'll be doing my PGCE. At the moment, I don't pay tuition fees, and don't get a student loan. Does anyone know what will happen with me next year? Will I have to pay the higher fees and be assessed along with the "new students" under the new government? And how would that even work?!
    I thought the higher tuition fees and interests etc only start in 2012 and it's not retrospective? So anyone going to uni this Sept has a lucky escape before the **** hits the fan?

    In anycase, the bursaries next year is more to do with the TDA, which cut bursaries last year for English, RE etc. But Maths *hopefully should* be safe. That is, if the TDA still exists. There seemed to be some doubt amongst the cull of all the quangos that the TDA might be axed.. Though apparently the newspapers put it as "unlikely" and nothings been mentioned for a while; unlikey the GTC which is definitely going to be axed.

    In anycase, next Wednesday could be an absolute nightmare.
 
 
 
Reply
Submit reply
Turn on thread page Beta
TSR Support Team

We have a brilliant team of more than 60 Support Team members looking after discussions on The Student Room, helping to make it a fun, safe and useful place to hang out.

Updated: November 18, 2010
Poll
Do you agree with the proposed ban on plastic straws and cotton buds?

The Student Room, Get Revising and Marked by Teachers are trading names of The Student Room Group Ltd.

Register Number: 04666380 (England and Wales), VAT No. 806 8067 22 Registered Office: International House, Queens Road, Brighton, BN1 3XE

Write a reply...
Reply
Hide
Reputation gems: You get these gems as you gain rep from other members for making good contributions and giving helpful advice.