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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    If they can afford the full costs then yeh....
    This. The (sort of) idea is that the government funds education through taxes, which produces a well-educated workforce, which brings more money into the country. It's hard to justify why someone's taxes should go towards educating someone in something which brings no value to them.
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    So then she could just have gone to Southampton??
    I dunno, don't know what their entry requirements are. She's a local.
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    No- ffs, you can't just class a degree as pointless. Golf management is a worthwhile degree if you're planning to going in to golf management, Media Studies teachers (with actual Media degrees) are also required in most high schools nowadays!

    I agree that university education is a privilege- so it makes more sense to get rid of all courses be it Maths or Media that require less than BBB (and ask for grades, not UCAS points) so more funding can go into the people that actually wanted to work for their A-levels. A huge number of intelligent students lost out on uni places this year and it really worries me
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    (Original post by im so academic)
    What if someone got DDD? Should then they should be denied the privilege?
    Well I can't think of many universities who'll accept students with those grades, I mean, even Brunel ask for a BBB in my subject.

    But if someone did get those grades and achieved a First at university, then that shows that they've improved and their A levels won't count for much anymore.

    If you get a First from, say Kingston, and you apply to Oxford for your Masters, Oxford won't give a crap about what university you went to.

    Besides, someone who gets DDD will be denied the privelage of attending prestigious institutions such as LSE, UCL, Bristol, etc.
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    Well the 'mickey mouse' courses are actually the cheapest to administer, it just involves repeating powerpoint slides for 4 hours a week and then charging the student £3,600 a year for a library subscription. The expensive courses are the ones involving equipment and materials, like design, engineering, chemistry biology.

    Look at the graduate salaries:

    Biological Sciences (£16,871) earns you as much as Hospitality, Leisure, Recreation Sport and Tourism (£16,837)

    So if you were going to totally ignore the high graduate employment rates for these so-called 'useless' courses, and wanted to mindlessly hack away at funding for the sake of immediately saving money in the short term. Surely you should cut these expensive to teach courses?
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    I agree with OP, Some courses and institution are a complete waste of money.
    In Addition why can't there be a Minimum grade system in order for people to get into university. i.e CCC ?
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Either things with stupidly low requirements, EXTREMELY specialised or just downright rediculous and do not require degrees for the profession. Complications arise with history, classics etc.

    Beach Management
    Golf Management........ how many managers of golf courses have a degree in golf management?
    Media Studies............. all the best journalists have english degrees from Oxbridge.
    etc
    Except that management degrees like that are actually very useful if you wish to get a job in that particular sector...

    The only reason current managers don't have them is because they are fairly new, similar qualifications previously existed and because there are many routes into that career.

    Certainly doesn't make them useless.

    I think it is slightly arrogant to say that science degrees are far better than any other degrees, mostly any subject you can study at university has a place somewhere in society. Plus there is argument that being in the academic environment of university gives you very useful skills that you can apply more generally in your future jobs
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    (Original post by lechaton-x)
    No- ffs, you can't just class a degree as pointless. Golf management is a worthwhile degree if you're planning to going in to golf management, Media Studies teachers (with actual Media degrees) are also required in most high schools nowadays!

    I agree that university education is a privilege- so it makes more sense to get rid of all courses be it Maths or Media that require less than BBB (and ask for grades, not UCAS points) so more funding can go into the people that actually wanted to work for their A-levels. A huge number of intelligent students lost out on uni places this year and it really worries me
    This.
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    (Original post by lechaton-x)
    No- ffs, you can't just class a degree as pointless. Golf management is a worthwhile degree if you're planning to going in to golf management,
    So you actually believe the only way to manager a golf club is if you've studied this degree? How have golf club managers coped for so long without it?

    (Original post by lechaton-x)
    Media Studies teachers (with actual Media degrees) are also required in most high schools nowadays!
    I believe Media Studies shouldnt be a subject at school.
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    (Original post by atheistwithfaith)
    I think it is slightly arrogant to say that science degrees are far better than any other degrees,
    I didnt?
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    (Original post by lechaton-x)
    No- ffs, you can't just class a degree as pointless. Golf management is a worthwhile degree if you're planning to going in to golf management, Media Studies teachers (with actual Media degrees) are also required in most high schools nowadays!

    I agree that university education is a privilege- so it makes more sense to get rid of all courses be it Maths or Media that require less than BBB (and ask for grades, not UCAS points) so more funding can go into the people that actually wanted to work for their A-levels. A huge number of intelligent students lost out on uni places this year and it really worries me

    This is most bizarre. You need media studies to teach media studies, yet what does media studies actually do? Media studies, as your comment proved, is pointless.
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    OP makes a good point. Indeed there should be no more than 50 universities in the UK, rather than the 120 odd currently. The other tertiary institutions would revert to colleges of higher education with the power to award diplomas equivalent to a pass or ordinary degree.:yep:
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    (Original post by CyberKid)
    I agree with OP, Some courses and institution are a complete waste of money.
    In Addition why can't there be a Minimum grade system in order for people to get into university. i.e CCC ?
    I agree, but i think BBB would be a bit better really, after all isn't CCC barely average? Higher education shouldn't be for the average.
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    So you actually believe the only way to manager a golf club is if you've studied this degree? How have golf club managers coped for so long without it?


    I believe Media Studies shouldnt be a subject at school.
    Of course I don't believe it's the only way to manage a golf club (surprising as I'm a thick Media Studies student and all...) but if people want to do it because it interests them and it's what they want to go into then it's fine. At the end of the day, they're the one paying for it and they're the one doing it. I'd rather someone did Golf Management if than taking up a space on a History or English degree in a bid to please morons like you.
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    (Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
    I think we could do with getting rid of an awful lot of degree courses really, and some entire institutions altogether.

    Some places have reputations so bad that i doubt anything could detract from it.
    Media Studies, and Film Studies, is actually a very important subject in a world which is dominated by the Media. Just because it is a relatively new discipline doesn't make it worthless. It is essentially the same as an English Literature degree, only there's a lot more to study, etc.

    Case in point, literature wasn't considered a serious discipline until well into the 20th century and being an author was only considered being a worthwhile job from the 19th century.
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    Well, 1 in 4 graduates don't have a graduate level job, so their degrees were a waste of public funds. I'm under the impression that the government dishes out the same subsidy to all courses (about £6000/ student/year or something like that). Universities that are only offering 2 hours of lectures a fortnight plus a tutorial don't need all that money, economies of scale could be gained from closing a university and having larger courses at another institution (renamed a polytechnic).
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    (Original post by atheistwithfaith)
    Except that management degrees like that are actually very useful if you wish to get a job in that particular sector...
    If the golf industry thinks it's a valuable qualification, then it should be in their interest to fund people to study such a degree. I think it's dubious what value it adds to the general non-golf-playing taxpayer. Personally, I have strong doubts that a degree format is the best way to learn such skills.
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    (Original post by atheistwithfaith)
    Certainly doesn't make them useless
    A management degree which requires a gold handicap....

    http://www.education.bham.ac.uk/prog..._studies.shtml
    Applicants need to meet a golf handicap as stipulated by the PGA (before A level results) in the year of application. Currently these are 4.4 or better for men and 6.4 or better for women.
    Why does a management degree in golf require a golf handicap?
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    football studies at liverpool hope ftw
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    (Original post by BillySharp92)
    This is most bizarre. You need media studies to teach media studies, yet what does media studies actually do? Media studies, as your comment proved, is pointless.
    This.

    Media studies and film studies (is there any difference? :confused: ) seem to exist purely for the students who couldn't do a real subject like english literature or history or a science to get grades that aren't truly horrible (but i'd wager a B or C in english literature was thought of more highly than an A* in film studies by 99% of employers).
 
 
 
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