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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Could you repeat that again? You think engineering is about where you put things? :confused:

    As you've proved- engineering isnt 'obvious', as you dont even know what it is (which is scary, even for a media studies student its pretty thick).....
    Says the guy who can't even read my sig...

    However, the point of that post was, you can blather on endlessly about subjects you know nothing about and reducing them to trivialities. After all, who needs a degree to learn how to build ****? :p: Block a goes there, cement, block b, done. Built. Add structural support, done. Simples, yes. Really, we might as well get rid of language teaching as well, as everyone speaks English anyway and those who don't should and aren't worth talking to. :rolleyes:

    Unfortunately, I think irony is lost on you, so I'll just leave you to it.
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    TSR makes a whole lot of sense when you realize that half of the members have no desire whatsoever to improve education for most people, or even improve the quality and usefulness of what they are learning. They just want to feel more special about their little bit of paper, and would happily see a dozen potential nobel winners never get their prize if it meant that their degree was a teensy bit more prestigious.

    Henry Clay Frick once said that he could hire half the working class to kill the other half for a 5% raise and an extra bathroom break. OP and the like are in that former half.
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    (Original post by TheSownRose)
    But they're not going to want to - they want to manage a golf course, that's why they took the degree.
    Right, that would make an economy very flexible..... :rolleyes:

    If one could have studied a degree in coal-mining 50 years ago, what would the coal-mining graduates be doing right now?

    I cant hear your reply?
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    who can say what a useless degree as long as its what that person wants to do and they achieve what they want to achieve and start a career in that profession or a job. As long as they pay taxes and pay back their loan isn't it better to give as many people as possible the opportunity to go to university or college is their such thing as a completely useless degree?
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    (Original post by Bishamon)
    lol a medic who wants to do finance
    Oh dear you've just proved yet again how stupid you are.

    Somebody says im a medic and you believe them? Care to show me where on TSR i said im a medic?

    Seriously, you're actually starting to look pretty stupid now....
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Right, that would make an economy very flexible..... :rolleyes:

    If one could have studied a degree in coal-mining 50 years ago, what would the coal-mining graduates be doing right now?

    I cant hear your reply?
    I imagine if they studied a degree in coal-mining fifty years ago, they'd be retired by now. I'm certainly intending to be retired in fifty years; hell, I'm intending to be retired in thirty-five.
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Right, that would make an economy very flexible..... :rolleyes:

    If one could have studied a degree in coal-mining 50 years ago, what would the coal-mining graduates be doing right now?

    I cant hear your reply?
    Probably working on oil fields in the North Sea. Or possibly helping African nations maximize their efficiencies in Diamond mines.

    Oh wait. Oil's not very important is it........
    And working in Africa probably wouldn't be very beneficial.......

    You still haven't answered my earlier point about how being an Imperial student makes you better than anyone else.
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Its not pedantic.... you just cant read.....

    I said IF because i knew you hadnt answered. Then you try and insult me by insinuating i didnt know you hadnt answered....

    Dont insult my intelligence, i could sit here all night picking holes in what you say- honestly...


    So you think recruiters visit the top universities and job fairs because they just prefer a 300 mile journey to durham over a 2 mile trip to London met?
    Look, I'm not stupid. If you think I am going to argue the importance and advantage institutions like oxford, imperial and cambridge give you them you can forget it. However outside of commercial law and investment banking things become alot different. As said higher education is a means to an end, certain institutions will get you into more doors than others however "lower" institutions are not ruled out because of that fact, especially in fields like engineering where degree quality is far more important than institution. Trust me. There is this rather daft fallacy on this forum that studying outside of a redbrick means you are doomed to failure. Its so daft, especially when these same students place little to no emphasis on experience, a far far more important factor than is made out to be. Add to this the fact that walking in with just a undergraduate qualification will get you laughed at by alot of employers anyway.
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    (Original post by lechaton-x)
    No- ffs, you can't just class a degree as pointless. Golf management is a worthwhile degree if you're planning to going in to golf management, Media Studies teachers (with actual Media degrees) are also required in most high schools nowadays!

    I agree that university education is a privilege- so it makes more sense to get rid of all courses be it Maths or Media that require less than BBB (and ask for grades, not UCAS points) so more funding can go into the people that actually wanted to work for their A-levels. A huge number of intelligent students lost out on uni places this year and it really worries me
    I achieved BBC and i hope you're not suggesting i didn't work hard for my A levels.
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Oh dear you've just proved yet again how stupid you are.

    Somebody says im a medic and you believe them? Care to show me where on TSR i said im a medic?

    Seriously, you're actually starting to look pretty stupid now....


    this is a student forum and you are hardly someone who I care enough to enquire about. If someone says you're a medic then you are a medic until you prove otherwise. If this rather insignificant point makes me stupid then so be it.
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    (Original post by Hylean)
    Says the guy who can't even read my sig...

    However, the point of that post was, you can blather on endlessly about subjects you know nothing about and reducing them to trivialities. After all, who needs a degree to learn how to build ****? :p: Block a goes there, cement, block b, done. Built. Add structural support, done. Simples, yes. Really, we might as well get rid of language teaching as well, as everyone speaks English anyway and those who don't should and aren't worth talking to. :rolleyes:

    Unfortunately, I think irony is lost on you, so I'll just leave you to it.
    I think the stupidity is with the person trying to compare the use of props in a film with how to construct a bridge.....

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/...-mouse-degrees

    http://www.timeshighereducation.co.u...orycode=400258

    I guess the whole country is wrong and the person who promotes a degree looking at film lighting for a degree is right?

    I guess the investment banks dont know who the best graduates are and they're missing out on the media studies graduates?

    I guess LSE and Cambridge just blacklisted media studies without looking at it and they didnt base their decision on students who applied with it? :rolleyes:

    We're all wrong lol
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    (Original post by Ashw5)
    I achieved BBC and i hope you're not suggesting i didn't work hard for my A levels. At the end of the 3 years i will have learned just as much as a student with better A levels
    That's not necessarily true. You may have worked just as hard, and may have learned just as much, but that is not necessarily the case.
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)

    Do we really need Portsmouth 'Mathematics' graduates studying A Level Maths and getting a degree from it?
    Where did you say you were going again? :rolleyes:

    BTW you do second order differential equations on an engineering HND, it's not some russell group only trade secret to be kept from the lower orders.

    you're coming across as rather spectacularly ignorant - since you're already on a roll tonight, could you complete the demolition of your own credibility by perhaps accusing non russell group optometrists of shoving rusty nails into people eyeballs?
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    My brother got CDD at A level, did animation and media at degree level at plymouth and now earns 100k a year, is 27 and already owns 2 houses. It's not the mickey mouse degrees which are the problem, it's the fact that they don't work hard at the end of their degree to get themselves into a good job and make the most of their degree. Instead they just expect employment to fall out of the sky and hence why these 'mickey mouse' degrees are frowned upon, they have low employment rates because half the time the graduates cant be bothered to do anything with them.
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    (Original post by kultist)
    TSR makes a whole lot of sense when you realize that half of the members have no desire whatsoever to improve education for most people
    My definition of improving education is everybody having atleast a B grade in Maths, English and the Sciences..... not having a handicap and a degree in golf management.

    (Original post by kultist)
    They just want to feel more special about their little bit of paper
    So you dont think a degree should be of the same difficulty, from whatever university? Its ok for some degrees to be MUCH easier than others? What exactly was the point of the national qualification framework, if degrees arent of a comparable difficulty? :confused:

    (Original post by kultist)
    and would happily see a dozen potential nobel winners never get their prize if it meant that their degree was a teensy bit more prestigious.
    Care to show me how many nobel prize winners have studied a mickey mouse degree?

    (Original post by kultist)
    Henry Clay Frick once said that he could hire half the working class to kill the other half for a 5% raise and an extra bathroom break. OP and the like are in that former half.
    So because i think a degree should be of an even difficulty, more like A Levels and GCSEs...... suddenly its wrong? lol

    There's only one reason why you would want degrees not to be standardised and thats because you wouldnt be able to hack one if they were all difficult.....
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Right, that would make an economy very flexible..... :rolleyes:

    If one could have studied a degree in coal-mining 50 years ago, what would the coal-mining graduates be doing right now?

    I cant hear your reply?
    Serious reply: I imagine that, with the fall of large-scale mining in the UK, people with a 'coal-mine management' degree would have gone abroad to manage overseas coal-mines, or retrained.

    No one knows what will happen in the future. Machines might be invented that read accurate optical prescriptions, rendering me obsolete. We might become like Japan and have a sudden increase in golf courses, requiring more specialised management.

    Until the future comes, it's unnecessary to worry about any dramatic changes to it.
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    (Original post by SophieNIN)
    who can say what a useless degree as long as its what that person wants to do and they achieve what they want to achieve and start a career in that profession or a job. As long as they pay taxes and pay back their loan isn't it better to give as many people as possible the opportunity to go to university or college is their such thing as a completely useless degree?
    Well its a useless degree if it doesnt mean anything when the person has it. For example it doesnt make it any easier for them to get jobs and it doesnt mean they actually know anything of a decent reputable academic standard. Do i deserve a degree if i wish to watch toast land butter sided?

    Would you be happy to pay more in tax for me to do watch toast fall butter-sided?
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    I think the stupidity is with the person trying to compare the use of props in a film with how to construct a bridge.....

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/...-mouse-degrees

    http://www.timeshighereducation.co.u...orycode=400258

    I guess the whole country is wrong and the person who promotes a degree looking at film lighting for a degree is right?

    I guess the investment banks dont know who the best graduates are and they're missing out on the media studies graduates?

    I guess LSE and Cambridge just blacklisted media studies without looking at it and they didnt base their decision on students who applied with it? :rolleyes:

    We're all wrong lol
    Well yes, they would be the only person right. Christ almighty, this is just becoming rather tragic. Put it this way, your tv breaks. You gonna trust the technician employed by the company to repair it or the oxford english lecturer who still insists on listening to radio 4 broadcasts. I mean he's an oxford lecturer right?! He must know how to repair it...
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    Every degree is worth something if it's what you want to do. You still have to work hard to get a certain classification. You still have to get experience to get a good job. Studying Mathematics or History or Biology at university does not guarantee you a job. Plenty of people out there with a 'mickey mouse' degree and lots of hands on experience who have got a great job.
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    Where did you say you were going again? :rolleyes:

    BTW you do second order differential equations on an engineering HND, it's not some russell group only trade secret to be kept from the lower orders.

    you're coming across as rather spectacularly ignorant - since you're already on a roll tonight, could you complete the demolition of your own credibility by perhaps accusing non russell group optometrists of shoving rusty nails into people eyeballs?
    Damn it, there's my secrets out of the bag! :mad:

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    Seriously, why did you use optometry as an example? I've only ever found a few people who know what it is...
 
 
 
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