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    The only rankings worth bothering with are on http://www.arwu.org/
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    To the OP: if you're interested in a highly respected Psychology department (both research and teaching). Bangor.

    For the most of the rest: Fowgeddabowtit

    Bangor is actually one of the oldest university colleges in the UK.
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    (Original post by EKR93)
    Totally unrelated, but I just had a look at a league table and Russell Group Manchester University is lower in the rankings for psychology than Manchester Metropolitan University is. Kinda shows if you want to rigidly stick to league tables 'Russell group' doesn't necessarily mean amazing.
    Wow you find one uni that breaks the trend. Does that mean all the league tables should now be ignored? No, no it does not.
    But again I must emphasis that psychology isn't a great choice of a degree due to it being an over saturated market and a degree that isn't great if you do not want to do further studies into it e.g. PhD etc.
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    (Original post by Psych!)
    To the OP: if you're interested in a highly respected Psychology department (both research and teaching). Bangor.

    For the most of the rest: Fowgeddabowtit

    Bangor is actually one of the oldest university colleges in the UK.
    Where is your proof that it is highly respected...? More so, how is it trolling urging people to look at league tables? :o:
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    (Original post by Mazty)
    Wow you find one uni that breaks the trend. Does that mean all the league tables should now be ignored? No, no it does not.
    But again I must emphasis that psychology isn't a great choice of a degree due to it being an over saturated market and a degree that isn't great if you do not want to do further studies into it e.g. PhD etc.
    Yeah, yeah. Nothing is ever great to you is it. Here's the thing: nobody gives a toss.

    What is it with you and league tables by the way, do you print them out and sleep next to them at night or something to calm you down and give your ego a much-needed boost? It's quite funny, if a little disturbing.
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    It's 'emphasise' by the way.
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    (Original post by EKR93)
    Yeah, yeah. Nothing is ever great to you is it. Here's the thing: nobody gives a toss.

    What is it with you and league tables by the way, do you print them out and sleep next to them at night or something to calm you down and give your ego a much-needed boost? It's quite funny, if a little disturbing.
    Nah, people like him always want the last word. That's why I couldn't be bothered to argue with him anymore.

    :rofl: I wouldn't be surprised if he does do that.
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    (Original post by EKR93)
    Yeah, yeah. Nothing is ever great to you is it. Here's the thing: nobody gives a toss.

    What is it with you and league tables by the way, do you print them out and sleep next to them at night or something to calm you down and give your ego a much-needed boost? It's quite funny, if a little disturbing.
    Aw diddums is having a paddy because she can't construct a thoughtful reply.
    Frankly anyone with half a brain would care about the value of their degree and the university they are applying to I would have thought....:o:

    League tables are a good indication of the worth of a university. Amazing how you don't think so with no good reason isn't it? Would I be correct in saying you go to Bangor hence are going to be extremely biased towards it?
    It's just a sad day when 'educated' people ignore facts and figures because it doesn't suit them :rolleyes:
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    Everyone has had their say. Some more right than others. But can we please just let this drop now? It's not helpful to the OP (who wants information about Brookes and BBB psychology departments) and not an argument.
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    (Original post by bruce_t89)
    Nah, people like him always want the last word. That's why I couldn't be bothered to argue with him anymore.

    :rofl: I wouldn't be surprised if he does do that.
    Here, you're a psych student. Explain to me why you think it's only people doing either psychology or go to Bangor that dislike what I'm saying, even though it is all true e.g. psychology doesn't offer as many career choices as other degrees (engineering, surveying, pure sciences etc), and Bangor is regarded as not being a good university (league tables).
    Surely you can link it to something like denial but a study of it, such as the Dunning-Kruger effect to explain why some idiots can't see their mistakes.
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    Nope, I'm at college. An educated person would look at my username and assume I was born in 1993 and it is highly unlikely I am at university.

    I just can't tolerate ignorant fools who think they are above others simply because they got into a university considered 'better' by some toffs in the Guardian newspaper who are equally as biased as any of us on this forum.

    What business is it of yours that other people want to do something differently to you? Experiences vary; someone could go to a highly ranked university and absolutely hate it and prefer going to one lower ranked, therefore receiving a better degree classification out of being more highly motivated.

    Good for you you got a 2:1 at a Russell Group university, just like thousands of others. What exactly makes you stand out from the crowd more than any of them? Probably nothing worth speaking about, so get a grip, get over yourself and cuddle up to a league table.
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    (Original post by EKR93)
    Nope, I'm at college. An educated person would look at my username and assume I was born in 1993 and it is highly unlikely I am at university.

    I just can't tolerate ignorant fools who think they are above others simply because they got into a university considered 'better' by some toffs in the Guardian newspaper who are equally as biased as any of us on this forum.

    What business is it of yours that other people want to do something differently to you? Experiences vary; someone could go to a highly ranked university and absolutely hate it and prefer going to one lower ranked, therefore receiving a better degree classification out of being more highly motivated.

    Good for you you got a 2:1 at a Russell Group university, just like thousands of others. What exactly makes you stand out from the crowd more than any of them? Probably nothing worth speaking about, so get a grip, get over yourself and cuddle up to a league table.
    Or someone with an education wouldn't jump to conclusions that your username has anything to do with the person.
    Is IPWNZORU69 born in 1969? This is the internet - for all you know I could be Bill Gates or Bill Clinton.
    Since when did I state that I was better than anyone? I didn't.
    Is it not ignorant to ignore every university league table out there for no logical reason? Yes, that is very ignorant, yet I'm the one doing the opposite of that...but you still want to make out I'm ignorant somehow...:o:
    Yes it does matter how much the person likes the university, but come on, Bangor is number 64 and ~30th for psychology. Considering all the social retards that go there and the dingy city Bangor is, it'd take a speshal someone to prefer it over the other ones. Though lets be honest, the appeal of Bangor to most students is the low entry grades so don't sugar coat it.
    I only mentioned my degree because it was the second time the same person asked. Frankly it is completely unimportant as it has no bearing on Bangor university. What makes my degree stand out is the specifics that I was taught in the degree meaning I could go into many different specialised jobs and be able to do them due to what I have learnt/done in labs etc. Considering one of topics I did can earn up to £700 a day, yeah, I think that is worth mentioning so don't be so arrogant to try and put a degree down you know nothing about, and quit with the pathetic personal attacks.
    Give me a good reason why I & everyone else should completely ignore league tables and suddenly presume UCL & Cambridge are is the same as Hull and Bangor etc.
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    (Original post by clairelou92)
    For an insurance place??
    Sorry, didn't realise it was for an insurance place!

    (Original post by clairelou92)
    Why is the psychology course awful??
    I've just been so dissappointed with it. I'm almost doing a major/minor because they offer so few Psychology modules. You can't pick your own dissertation topic but instead have to pick from a list of the lecturers' specialisms (which are mainly Cognitive or Developmental). They are few seminars/practicals and you get very little feedback. There's a massive overlap between the modules, which can be helpful but is also extremely tedious and repetitive!

    Obviously I don't know how other departments compare but IMO Brookes' Psych course is a pile of crap. Having said that, the other people on my course moan a bit about it but certainly don't regret coming here.
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    (Original post by Mazty)
    Bangor is regarded as not being a good university (league tables).
    For the last time. I'll spell this out for you:-

    I am not at Bangor. I am not doing psychology. I have no interest in promoting Bangor or defending psychology as a subject.

    Bangor has one of the strongest psychology departments in terms of both research and teaching quality. Check QAA reports, student satisfaction and the research assessment exercise.

    According to the research assessment exercise the majority of its research is international class or world leading in terms of quality.

    A large proportion of staff were submitted to the RAE.

    League tables are flawed, can vary significantly from one to the next, and are routinely criticised by a wide range of people. Many don't even take teaching quality into account. How do you know how good a department is if it doesn't measure teaching quality? What's more, play around with the weightings and you can different results. What makes the weightings they use the "right" weighting?

    Even if you take league tables into account note these things

    1. Bangor has a higher student satisfaction score than some "top ten" universities.

    2. Bangor has a higher research score than some "top tens".

    3. Bangor has employment prospects comparable to some "top tens"


    This is three of the four criteria where Bangor can rival, or even better, some top ten unis. Especially in research and student satisfaction.

    This leaves only one criteria where it does fall short - entry standards. Because of its relatively isolated location it is not a particularly popular choice. This brings typical offers down. It does not make a bad department.

    It does not mean that Bangor takes "the dregs" as students who achieve Bs at A-level are still very capable. The difference between an A and B is not significant. What's more, A-level performance does not equal university performance. In fact, they aren't even the best measure we have for academic performance as it's perfectly possible to coach a student into doing well. You can get 97% in an English Lit exam without actually knowing the text well, just knowing the assessment objectives. A person can be just as capable a student, and know the text better, but only achieve 77%. This is because teachers don't coach them in terms of exam technique and they don't know assessment objectives inside out.

    You can take a league table and give entry standards a low weighting but far more important factors (like research) a much higher weighitng. Then Bangor will rank highly.

    Does this really not tell you quite how arbitary and unreliable league tables are?

    Now please just leave this thread and let informed and helpful people reply. It is pointless continuing as all future posts will be removed.

    This is unless you can provide something helpful, like suggesting some good BBB psychology departments. Then I'm sure your contribution will be welcomed by the OP.

    Oh, and this is another point, Bangor doesn't rank well in general tables. We get that. But the OP is looking for an insurance option. There are going to be few universities with BBB offers who do rank highly, are there?
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    OP, I would say Bangor, as they supposedly have a good and respected Psychology department.

    I personally wouldn't pick Oxford Brookes as it is stronger for nursing/other courses, not due to its position on the league tables.
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    (Original post by River85)
    For the last time. I'll spell this out for you:-

    I am not at Bangor. I am not doing psychology. I have no interest in promoting Bangor or defending psychology as a subject.

    Bangor has one of the strongest psychology departments in terms of both research and teaching quality. Check QAA reports, student satisfaction and the research assessment exercise.

    According to the research assessment exercise the majority of its research is international class or world leading in terms of quality.

    A large proportion of staff were submitted to the RAE.

    League tables are flawed, can vary significantly from one to the next, and are routinely criticised by a wide range of people. Many don't even take teaching quality into account. How do you know how good a department is if it doesn't measure teaching quality? What's more, play around with the weightings and you can different results. What makes the weightings they use the "right" weighting?

    Even if you take league tables into account note these things

    1. Bangor has a higher student satisfaction score than some "top ten" universities.

    2. Bangor has a higher research score than some "top tens".

    3. Bangor has employment prospects comparable to some "top tens"


    This is three of the four criteria where Bangor can rival, or even better, some top ten unis. Especially in research and student satisfaction.

    This leaves only one criteria where it does fall short - entry standards. Because of its relatively isolated location it is not a particularly popular choice. This brings typical offers down. It does not make a bad department.

    It does not mean that Bangor takes "the dregs" as students who achieve Bs at A-level are still very capable. The difference between an A and B is not significant. What's more, A-level performance does not equal university performance. In fact, they aren't even the best measure we have for academic performance as it's perfectly possible to coach a student into doing well. You can get 97% in an English Lit exam without actually knowing the text well, just knowing the assessment objectives. A person can be just as capable a student, and know the text better, but only achieve 77%. This is because teachers don't coach them in terms of exam technique and they don't know assessment objectives inside out.

    You can take a league table and give entry standards a low weighting but far more important factors (like research) a much higher weighitng. Then Bangor will rank highly.

    Does this really not tell you quite how arbitary and unreliable league tables are?

    Now please just leave this thread and let informed and helpful people reply. It is pointless continuing as all future posts will be removed.

    This is unless you can provide something helpful, like suggesting some good BBB psychology departments. Then I'm sure your contribution will be welcomed by the OP.

    Oh, and this is another point, Bangor doesn't rank well in general tables. We get that. But the OP is looking for an insurance option. There are going to be few universities with BBB offers who do rank highly, are there?
    Seriously you should ask for a refund from your uni as education has failed you.
    Research is pointless in considering the value of a department for undergraduate work. A good researcher may not even lecture.
    Student satisfaction is also retarded as it works on the idea that the students have something to compare it with, which they don't. You do not know if they'd be less satisfied with Bangor, or more, if they say had transferred from a better ranked university. All it shows it that the general feeling is that the kids like it, but that is it. Plus with the calibre of person that goes to Bangor, I wouldn't listen to anything they had to say.
    STOP SAYING THAT THE TABLES VARY. That is a ******* redundant point as the position of Bangor varies by only 2 places through three different tables.

    What you happily ignore is that the amount of students that get a job within 6 months of graduating from Bangor is far low than higher ranked universities.

    End of the day, it is poorly ranked, and the criteria you think is important is no way as important as you are claiming. You're naive childish view isn't going to change the ranking of Bangor or the fact that it is pretty ****.
    Isn't it amazing you are arguing it's good and yet you have what to back you up? Some research figures and student satisfaction which are both equally useless as each other.

    Now go away and try to brew up some other pretentious argument somewhere else which is borderline conspiracy ********.
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    (Original post by Mazty)
    Research is pointless in considering the value of a department for undergraduate work. A good researcher may not even lecture.

    Actually, for Psychology undergraduate courses, research rating is of the utmost importance. For most subjects it isn't, but for Psychology it is. Undergraduate students take part in most of the current research, by volunteering posts, statistics teaching, lab teaching, or participation schemes where the student must have participated in enough experiments to pass the year.
    They are taught how to conduct research by learning from the current departmental research (which is why the content of the degree will vary from year to year in the research side of it). Learning how to conduct Psychological research is integral to the degree, and can only be taught in this way.

    It may even be fair to say a bad research department = a bad Psychology degree.



    I take it you're not a Psychology student? Because most would know the research quality of the department is absolutely important.
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    (Original post by Mazty)
    A good researcher may not even lecture.
    Actually, some of the good researchers are full time lecturers in Bangor, i.e. Guillaume Thierry, Caroline Bowman, Fay Short. Ever heard of them? I thought not because you've never studied there. Guillaume has conducted research in areas such as language comprehension and bilingualism, many of which have been regarded as high quality standard. Familiar with Richard Bentall and his publications and books such as 'Madness Explained'? Again, didn't think so. He's a Bangor University lecturer as well.
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    Why is this nonsense thread still going on?
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    (Original post by Mazty)
    Seriously you should ask for a refund from your uni as education has failed you.
    Of course it has. I'm not the one lacking basic skills in comprehension and how to form an argument.

    Research is pointless in considering the value of a department for undergraduate work. A good researcher may not even lecture.
    I have already covered this.

    The theory is that a research intensive department provides superior teaching as the academics are at the forefront of research.

    Sometimes this doesn't always work out in practice and it will have a negligible effect. Even a negative effect as staff are more concerned with research than teaching undergradutes. As with anything in life things vary.

    A number of the staff at Bangor, whose research was submitted to the RAE, do teach undergraduate students.

    The bottom line is research is one aspect of a good department. You have been very dismissive of Bangor's department and initially failed to recognise its research strength (stating that it can't have such a good research score as it's so low in the tables). Finally, the teaching at Bangor is of a high quality and we can look at external assessments for this.

    Student satisfaction is also retarded as it works on the idea that the students have something to compare it with, which they don't.
    :rofl: EXACTLY!!!

    You are aware that student satisfaction is flawed, yet you still trust league tables! Don't you realise that league tables are heavily influenced by student satisfaction? It is given quite a significant weighting.

    When student satisfaction was introduced (2005) it significantly altered the position of some universities.

    I don't know how you can place so much faith in league tables but at the same time be so critical of student satisfaction.

    Now, I wasn't using student satisfaction to argue that Bangor is better. I was showing that across the criteria league tables use Bangor does often outperform those at the top. It's you who places so much faith in league tables and that you're using league tables to argue Bangor is crap.

    STOP SAYING THAT THE TABLES VARY. That is a *******
    redundant point as the position of Bangor varies by only 2 places through three different tables.
    Yes? But what about the other universities? Manchester, for example?

    It's a general point and quite a fair one.

    Even if you use the Independent's table but gave one or two criteria a higher weighting then Bangor can easily climb twenty places.

    Why is the weighting they use correct? Don't you see league tables are just a game in how to manipulate statistics?

    What you happily ignore is that the amount of students that get a job within 6 months of graduating from Bangor is far low than higher ranked universities.
    Erm....no I didn't. Yet again your comprehension fails.

    I said that Bangor can rival some "top ten" universities in terms of graduate employment. This is true.

    Lancaster and St Andrews (two top ten/top twenty) universities have similar graduate prospects to Bangor. There will be others.

    Using graduate employment is also flawed. Why? Because the definition of "graduate employment" is quite outdated. What's more, some people don't want to go straight into employment and travel. Finally, why does it make a department inferior? It doesn't. Teaching quality,

    Isn't it amazing you are arguing it's good and yet you have what to back you up? Some research figures and student satisfaction which are both equally useless as each other.
    Research has significance. This has been explained by me (not sure if you saw the post as it was removed) and others.

    No I haven't. I have also pointed to teaching quality scores and assessments. These can be found if you're actually informed enough and know where to find them.

    Are you know going to say teaching quality doesn't matter?

    Isn't it amazing that you're arguing it's crap yet have nothing to back this up with except league tables? League tables which are routinely criticised?

    You even criticse student satisfaction yourself, yet ignore the role it plays in league tables! So by criticising student satisfaction you're actually exposing one of the flaws in these league tables.

    So can I ask, if student satisfaction and research are both useless, then why are league tables so important? These are both used in league tables and are given significant weighting?

    Do you really not see this?

    And that in these league tables Bangor does compete with highly ranked universities in all but one criteria. Sometimes doing significantly better?

    Now go away and try to brew up some other pretentious argument somewhere else which is borderline conspiracy ********.
    I'm not interested in any argument. Arguing with people on the Internetz (and trolling) is a very sad way to spend your time.

    I am only interested in offering advice and correcting people who show clear ignorance.

    If I didn't know any better I'd think you were doing this deliberately in order to get negative rep (and possibly even some insults through the rep system). It does give some people some jollies. But I don't neg.
 
 
 
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