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    (Original post by mozfadz)
    I don't think it was given to me on a plate, I work hard for what I get and so did my family.
    People love to make out that well off families don't work hard for their money and that they and their children just get everything handed to them on a plate, when usually the opposite is true. My mum and dad (both from not so well off backgrounds) worked their arses off at school and uni to become doctors so they were able to afford to send me to a private school, where everyone also worked their arses off. Yes, there are a few people who are so well off that they and their children don't have to lift a finger, but they are a very small minority.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Next she said that the class system in the UK was really obvious, and that if you, or your parents, earn more than £80,000 a year, then you're middle class.
    unrelated, but yeah she sounds lame. I'd class myself as middle class, my dad earns £40k. It depends on education (if your parents have a degree etc) and family (aristocratic/working class heritage etc). Basically, it's subjective, but I bet she only says £80,000 as the cut off because her parents earn £70,000k or something. If the average (median salary) is about 25k, well I'd say anything above that is middle class! People are afraid of being middle class cause it sounds mediocre, but if you go to a top 20 uni at least, everyone is middle or upper class.
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    (Original post by Lil Piranha)
    Just be yourself! Don't worry about how much money your parents have or where you went to school.

    I'm the same as you (affluent family, privately schooled all my life, house in the country and I "talk posh" ), and totally different to every single person on my course. So of course I'm the posh toff (despite the fact that some of my coursemates have much larger houses etc!) - but why should I be ashamed of that? There's nothing wrong with coming from a well-to-do background is there? As long as you're not an arse about it, I don't see why you feel like you have to cover up where you're from.
    No you and the OP are far removed from the sterotypical rich kid. I would never begrudge anyone who comes from money as long as they dont they are better than those who dont have it. Plus your a cute blonde :p:

    OP argue back at her politics is always a flare-up debate. Her views are inverse snobbery it would appear. And there is a huge difference between earning money and coming from money
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    (Original post by tinywings)
    People love to make out that well off families don't work hard for their money and that they and their children just get everything handed to them on a plate, when usually the opposite is true. My mum and dad (both from not so well off backgrounds) worked their arses off at school and uni to become doctors so they were able to afford to send me to a private school, where everyone also worked their arses off. Yes, there are a few people who are so well off that they and their children don't have to lift a finger, but they are a very small minority.
    Yeah, it was really hard for my parents because they came from another country with no money at all. Rather than sitting at home and scamming the benefit system, he got a job and worked his way up. At my age he had nothing. I'm not going to say I'm lucky for getting my job and other luxuries because other people also had the same opportunities and I got into everything fair and square, I didn't pay myself into it. If they tried as hard, they could have possible achieved the same.

    Another thing, I had to fund my own first car and insurance even though my parents could afford it. Made me really hate on them and I was jealous of others who got it like that but I guess it teaches you that you have to work for things.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    One of the first things she said was that she was an avid Labour supporter. Obviously there's nothing wrong with that, we're all entitled to our own opinions and I didn't mention where I stand politically because I didn't want things to be awkward between us right from the offset.

    She then announced that the Conservatives steal money from the poor by taking away all of their benefits. Again, I chose not to say anything because I didn't want to get mixed up in politics. Then she claimed that there shouldn't be private schools, as the pupils who go there don't have to work as hard as state school pupils, and that private school parents will give their children enough money to let them do what they want to do anyway.
    She probably went to Harrow, the wannabe class warriors are always posh *****.

    Anyway, tell her that capitalism is just a stage on the path to a a perfect Marxian state of pure communism, and that as a member of the bourgeoisie you are simply hastening the fall of existing class structures and the inevitable and glorious rise of the proletariat. You can add that without the likes of yourself, humanity would never truly be able to throw off the fetters of a feudalistic society and take control of the means of production.

    If she has a smart answer to that just punch her....
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    There is more to being middle class than just having more money than some...and so what about what she said you gonna cry over it?
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    I moved into university last week and didn't know anyone I am living with. There's one girl who I haven't seen very much since I've been here, but I only spoke to her properly today and she made me feel really uncomfortable.

    One of the first things she said was that she was an avid Labour supporter. Obviously there's nothing wrong with that, we're all entitled to our own opinions and I didn't mention where I stand politically because I didn't want things to be awkward between us right from the offset.

    She then announced that the Conservatives steal money from the poor by taking away all of their benefits. Again, I chose not to say anything because I didn't want to get mixed up in politics. Then she claimed that there shouldn't be private schools, as the pupils who go there don't have to work as hard as state school pupils, and that private school parents will give their children enough money to let them do what they want to do anyway.

    Next she said that the class system in the UK was really obvious, and that if you, or your parents, earn more than £80,000 a year, then you're middle class.

    Here's where it becomes awkward: I have been private schooled my entire life and I feel I have worked hard to get where I am. My parents earn more than £80,000 a year and have also worked hard to achieve that and they have been fortunate enough to be successful. I don't consider myself to be middle class, though, nor do I think that earning a certain amount of money makes you middle class. I think it's more about how you act and carry yourself. I don't think many people are middle class anyway.

    Sorry, I've gone off point. It's just made me really feel uneasy around her. I feel like she's looking down her nose at me because she sees her life as being more 'real' than mine. She also keeps pushing her beliefs and talks over me if what I say opposes her.

    Obviously I'm going to try to avoid talking about such things with her to avoid confrontation, but I'm worried that if she's so opinionated already, what will she be like when the kitchen gets a bit messy or something?

    TSR, I'm just asking about how I can deal with someone like her? Any help would be appreciated! Thanks.
    Call her out on it. I'm a Labour supporter but I also know that the viewpoints she's expressing are in some cases false and in every case an oversimplification of the issue.
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    Spouting political **** is clearly a fantastic way to make new friends.
    Just take her down with your superior middle class lexis.
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    (Original post by unknown demon)
    £30k a year is too low and closer to the average salary in this country overall. Thats still working class.

    Most people regard middle class as being over £50-60k, both parents working or at least one working in a very senior professional occupation/successful business person and then you have the other distinct traits like sending your kids to private school, frugal (not stingy) attitude towards money amongst other cultural traditions and such.
    no that's posh people, if you own you're house then you're most likely middle class.
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    I agree with a lot of this girl's views and have expressed a few (slightly less angrily so) in my flat. However one girl in my flat is doing medicine and has a whole family who went to Cambridge, she went on 5 or 6 holidays over the summer and went to a public school.

    However, I like her - and I enjoy the flat to challenge me over my views, I in no way want them to just nod and agree, I welcome their views whatever they are, as in the grand scheme of things - I have my own upbringing which has been in a socialist household and I can understand different people having different views to me as their whole lives have been based on different experiences.

    I personally, wouldn't let her keep you quiet - University seems like a great place to act and be like yourself, don't let her stop you being that.
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    Haters be hatin'

    In the end, it's you in a better overall state than her so
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    (Original post by Craiky1506)

    I personally, wouldn't let her keep you quiet - University seems like a great place to act and be like yourself, don't let her stop you being that.
    The way I see it; the OP doesn't want to talk politics with this rude idiot so they shouldn't feel forced to do so.
    If who you are is someone who isn't interested in arguing about politics then being who you are means not arguing about politics.

    at the end of they day they're stuck in the same flat together for the foreseeable and uneasy truce is better than open warfare.
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    The way I see it; the OP doesn't want to talk politics with this rude idiot so they shouldn't feel forced to do so.
    If who you are is someone who isn't interested in arguing about politics then being who you are means not arguing about politics.

    at the end of they day they're stuck in the same flat together for the foreseeable and uneasy truce is better than open warfare.
    Of course - I completely agree, I just meant not to let themself act like someone they're not just to please her and just to be themselves.
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    (Original post by Craiky1506)
    Of course - I completely agree, I just meant not to let themself act like someone they're not just to please her and just to be themselves.
    OK assertive & confident but not confrontational. didn't mean to single you out especially. IMO It's not a two way choice between either being a submissive doormat or constantly having to have a barney with little Trotsky.
 
 
 
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