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Ed Miliband pledges to put Labour back on path to socialism Watch

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    Ed Miliband has pledged to reintroduce his personal form of socialism to the Labour Party.

    In an interview on Wednesday, the new Labour leader said that he wanted to take the party on the path back to his form of socialism.
    Both Tony Blair and Gordon Brown rarely referred to “socialism” amid fears it would alienate voters who were fearful of the Left-wing Labour agenda in the 1980s.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...socialism.html
    :p: Tories in power for more than one parliament? or will the country buy socialism?
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    Most people in Britain are socialists. The problem is, many are just too non-intellectual to know it. See your average typical Sun reader (where Tories get so much of their support from), who will likely believe in socialist principles, but isn't able enough to understand it. I think as our society becomes better educated, more people will be willing to accept the word socialism. Just look at Norway.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    Most people in Britain are socialists. The problem is, many are just too non-intellectual to know it.
    What brings you to that conclusion?
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    Socialists always run out of other people's money to spend. A socialist government would destroy this country both economically and socially especially with Labours love of eroding civil liberties in the name of the common good.
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    (Original post by Renner)
    What brings you to that conclusion?
    Ask people if they agree with state funded healthcare, education, libraries, train travel, energy etc and they will tell you yes. That is socialism.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    Ask people if they agree with state funded healthcare, education, libraries, train travel, energy etc and they will tell you yes. That is socialism.
    :confused:
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    Not something I wanted to happen, I stopped caring through. I never liked Labour or the Tories.

    I have no interest in left wing - right wing. It's outdated and it doesn't work anymore.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    Ask people if they agree with state funded healthcare, education, libraries, train travel, energy etc and they will tell you yes. That is socialism.
    You are wrong.
    Really wrong.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Socialists always run out of other people's money to spend. A socialist government would destroy this country both economically and socially especially with Labours love of eroding civil liberties in the name of the common good.
    Nobody is suggesting absolute socialism. Have you visited Norway recently? I'm fairly sure socialism has yet to destroy the Norwegian economy and society.... which is quite frankly brilliant, if you haven't been.

    You're just as bad as the Tea Baggers in the US who opposed Obama's healthcare reforms, even they were the very people who reforms will benefit.
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    (Original post by adam271)
    You are wrong.
    Really wrong.
    Who the hell disagrees with the NHS and state education?

    About 2% of the population, perhaps.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    Ask people if they agree with state funded healthcare, education, libraries, train travel, energy etc and they will tell you yes. That is socialism.
    Who supports nationalised rail and energy? The latter especially is pretty off the wall even for Labour these days.

    (Original post by Teveth)
    Nobody is suggesting absolute socialism. Have you visited Norway recently? I'm fairly sure socialism has yet to destroy the Norwegian economy and society.... which is quite frankly brilliant, if you haven't been.
    Norway doesn't have a substantially different economic system to the UK. otoh, it is a petrostate.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    Nobody is suggesting absolute socialism. Have you visited Norway recently? I'm fairly sure socialism has yet to destroy the Norwegian economy and society.... which is quite frankly brilliant, if you haven't been.

    You're just as bad as the Tea Baggers in the US who opposed Obama's healthcare reforms, even they were the very people who reforms will benefit.
    You mean people apart from the insurance companies will benefit?

    Socialist policies will require mass amounts of money you can't deny that. We have a massive deficit and spending craploads of money is not going to help the last Labour government proved that.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    Ask people if they agree with state funded healthcare, education, libraries, train travel, energy etc and they will tell you yes. That is socialism.
    Sure id love that as well as a free house and free money for life. However its never going to happen because real life does not work that way.
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    Ask people if they agree with state funded healthcare, education, libraries, train travel, energy etc and they will tell you yes. That is socialism.
    Socialism is so much more than state funded projects, Tories and Liberals were using state funding for stuff long before socialism was even thought of.

    Ask them if they believe in there taxes going up to pay for all this stuff and they will also say no, most Sun readers lean towards nationalism rather than internationalism, most people are no great fans of the trade unions at the best of times; not very socialist.

    The British are a centre right people; both our two main parties are centre right and there is no great call of re-nationalisation etc. People who lived during the Cold War see we are much better off than former socialist Russia and Eastern Europe

    You're just as bad as the Tea Baggers in the US who opposed Obama's healthcare reforms, even they were the very people who reforms will benefit.
    From how I understand the reforms, I would oppose them if I were American on the grounds of the federal government interfering on state affairs
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    Good news if he means it. Problem is many morons have a knee-jerk reaction to big S and will instantly be put off by it.
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    (Original post by Master Roshi)
    Good news if he means it. Problem is many morons have a knee-jerk reaction to big S and will instantly be put off by it.
    So despite the massive debt we have you want to start pouring ridiculous amounts of money into state funded and nationalised business despite the fact the private sector is better at supplying services than the government in many cases?
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    Back to Fabianism, then?
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    Most people in Britain are socialists. The problem is, many are just too non-intellectual to know it. See your average typical Sun reader (where Tories get so much of their support from), who will likely believe in socialist principles, but isn't able enough to understand it. I think as our society becomes better educated, more people will be willing to accept the word socialism. Just look at Norway.
    Firstly, you are such a troll -_-

    Secondly, I doubt most people in Britain are socialists... If that was the case, Thatcher wouldn't have won three elections -_-

    Thirdly, I would think most people are conservative (small c).
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    (Original post by Master Roshi)
    Good news if he means it. Problem is many morons have a knee-jerk reaction to big S and will instantly be put off by it.
    My thoughts exactly. Responsible socialism means providing good services and welfare and establishing a society which is about the benefit of the many, not the few. People broadly agree with this conceptually, but are put off by the word 'socialism'. I hope that Ed Miliband is able to overturn popular misconceptions about socialism and make people realise it's an idea of considerable value, because if he does and carries through with it we could be in for a good next government.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    So despite the massive debt we have you want to start pouring ridiculous amounts of money into state funded and nationalised business despite the fact the private sector is better at supplying services than the government in many cases?
    Obvioulsy that's not going to happen. Maybe you didn't read the article. Socialism is a pretty lose term, what Ed said was "“It is my form of socialism which is a more fair, more just, more equal society. And that is the path that I will want to take our party on". So basically just reduce inequality, which is a very important thing to do. Right-wing policies will only ever increase inequality, so a step towards socialism can only be a good thing. Ed said nothing about going on a nationalising rampage, that was just you having the standard low-level intelligence reaction to the word socialism.
 
 
 
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