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    Britain is facing a major brain drain as scientists abandon the country for better-funded jobs abroad, a Guardian investigation reveals today.

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    The heads of several prestigious universities warn that proposed government cuts to Britain's science budget threaten "an insidious grinding down of the UK research community".

    This comes against a background in which universities say they are already struggling to attract the best candidates to important research and teaching posts, and warnings that this month's spending review could, according to some estimates, take as much as 25% out of Britain's total spending on scientific research.

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    Britain's world ranking in research could be undone within five years. "There will be an insidious grinding down of the UK research community if the sorts of cuts being talked about are enacted".
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    Breakdown of UK research spending vs other countries

    Thoughts?

    I think cuts to education and science generally expose short-termism at its worst. A little spent on research now can generate huge amounts of revenue in future, and cutting the already stretched science budget saves relatively little and risks losing huge sums to our competitors over the next few decades.

    I think one of the posters on the Guardian's comment section summed it up perfectly when he said the words 'cost of everything but value of nothing' spring to mind.
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    Conservatives=Idiots?
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    We need to get rid of them because there are several people over there on the doll whom we need to give money to.
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    The coalition seems to have given up entirely on Britain's academic standing.
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    Ladies and gentlemen...Welcome to ConDem Britain!

    The Lib Dems and the Tories should be ashamed of themselves. They're actually ruining our country! Science and education is one of the things we are best at, and after years of scientific and educational growth under Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems are tearing our precious infrastructure apart. It's sickening.

    We need an election and we need one NOW!
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    (Original post by Jeffy91)
    We need to get rid of them because there are several people over there on the doll whom we need to give money to.
    What doll?
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    (Original post by whitepearlbaby)
    What doll?
    dole
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    (Original post by Jeffy91)
    dole
    Cheers, I got confused
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    We need an election and we need one NOW!
    Surely a decent opposition which could form a manefesto for government would be a useful start...?

    At the minute the Greens are more likely to get my vote as they have been a far stronger opposition in the last few months than the 'shadow government'.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Surely a decent opposition which could form a manefesto for government would be a useful start...?

    At the minute the Greens are more likely to get my vote as they have been a far stronger opposition in the last few months than the 'shadow government'.
    hardly a realistic and legitimate one though.
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    (Original post by dknt)
    Conservatives=Idiots?
    Remove that question mark at once, don't deny the equation!



    Back on topic, this is why I fear studying Physics at Uni rather than Medicine. At least with medicine, i'll be more or less guaranteed a job :/
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    (Original post by Teveth)
    Ladies and gentlemen...Welcome to ConDem Britain!

    The Lib Dems and the Tories should be ashamed of themselves. They're actually ruining our country! Science and education is one of the things we are best at, and after years of scientific and educational growth under Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems are tearing our precious infrastructure apart. It's sickening.

    We need an election and we need one NOW!
    Though labour proposed cuts to the universities too.

    Not to mention the fact that the UK education system was underfunded BEFORE these cuts.

    I sort of agree with you that what the tories/dems are doing is wrong, but to absolve any blame from labour is quite absurd.
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    Cuts benefits now and leave science alone! Atleast then in ten/twenty years time we might have an economy that can support the benefit culture that britain seems to want
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    (Original post by SomethingWicked)
    Remove that question mark at once, don't deny the equation!



    Back on topic, this is why I fear studying Physics at Uni rather than Medicine. At least with medicine, i'll be more or less guaranteed a job :/
    :yep: Sorry my mistake!:p: I've gone into Physics for the knowledge and discovery and interest... though a big pay cheque at the end of it definitley wouldn't hurt.
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    I fully expect Britain's academy community to become substantially weakened over the next few years, and it really is a tradegy. Despite our small size we've managed to be a serious player in the academic world until now, but we look set to lose that status and if we do, we simply won't be able to recover it because other nations with much greater spending power will take our place.

    If the government had any idea just how much the pound for pound return that comes out of public science funding is, or how fundamental innovation driven by science is to the British economy, they wouldn't be cutting science budgets, simple as. It's a disastrous move economically. There are two areas Britain is significant in, and those are finance and science/technology. The first has already failed us and if we give up on the second, we're screwed, basically.
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    That tory **** on Question Time was going on about us needing trident because of Iran. Thy want to piss £20 billion down the toilet over a "threat" from a third rate military power, £20 billion that could have been used to cover the ******* ridiculous 25% cut in science research that they want to inflict, that will damage this country's future in a serious way.

    Scaremongering lying ***** with a cold-war era mentality run this government. We're effed.
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    I love how so many of you were up for the cuts in Humanities and Arts, but are now complaining about cuts to Science.
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    (Original post by aeonflux)
    I think cuts to education and science generally expose short-termism at its worst. A little spent on research now can generate huge amounts of revenue in future, and cutting the already stretched science budget saves relatively little and risks losing huge sums to our competitors over the next few decades.

    I think one of the posters on the Guardian's comment section summed it up perfectly when he said the words 'cost of everything but value of nothing' spring to mind.
    Not really. Research is publicly available, and govt doesn't tend to direct it to just the most profitable things anyway. Actual businesses making R&D investments benefit from the lower future taxes brought about by cuts.

    Although it is a little strange they seem to be cutting everything by a similar % rather than simply axing the more marginal universities and subjects entirely.
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    (Original post by SomethingWicked)
    Back on topic, this is why I fear studying Physics at Uni rather than Medicine. At least with medicine, i'll be more or less guaranteed a job :/
    I think you've misunderstood it slightly, the fear is that cuts to the HE sector will mean that there is less money available for science research in universities, so a lot of top academics and researchers will leave to go overseas. If you are a science graduate then you will still be able to get work in industry, in fact it might be easier if there are not as many people being educated in science degrees any more, because all the top academics have left!

    Also Physics at uni opens a lot of doors that you might not have heard of yet. If you do an undergrad degree in Physics and then decide to specialise in something like Exploration Geophysics at Masters level, then a lot of doors open in the oil and gas exploration industry.

    Overall I would say if you get a 2:1 or above from a decent uni for Physics then you should be in a good employment position.
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    Teveth's trolling aside, I do not think research should be cut. I think it is dreadfully important and we should be maintaining spending for research.
 
 
 
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