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    This is something that I wrote about on my experience at the Job Centre. Never use it if you value your sanity:

    Contrary to popular opinion the Job Centre Plus/Unemployment office is not full of immigrants and asylum seekers but white under class trash, regiments of baseball capped Chavs doing what their patents do-Nothing! The asylum seekers and immigrants that do want to work and have come here for that reason are ironically denied the use of the job points by Home Office law, assigned just one desk in the corner to deal with all their multilingual requests for employment. Make of that what you wish. So annoyed have some staff members become over this apathy that they have pretty much issued anyone from any part of the world a national insurance number so they can work and use the job points, whether they are supposed to or not. Again, if you believe that immigrants only come here for benefits then I guarantee you they are not there in the Job Centers claiming those benefits.

    Trying to find a job is a depressing experience, mainly because the job you end up in, found via places like the Job Centre, will also be a depressing experience; therefore the incentive is limited to use the Job Centre, also a depressing experience. Only one in eleven people that find employment do it through the Job Centre method. That does not surprise me as the place is, well, you guessed it-a depressing experience! With on-site security guards you just dont want to be looking for jobs there.

    The problem is that the Job Centre shares its premises with the unemployment office, two sets of people forced together, never the twain shall meet. I know when I was on the ‘rock n roll’ the last thing I wanted to do was look for a job here. Everyone has their reasons for being unemployed and it’s rarely to do with not wanting to work. Work (the word means: not a career!) is usually good for you and your pride and a bit of a laugh, lots of money in your pocket when you are young and free. Most people that don’t work usually have family issues like small children and sick older family members to care for, or maybe they just get more money on the social than they ever could working 40 hours, both reasonable excuses and human nature if you ask me. If you have ever done a minimum wage job for a long period of time it sucks the life juice out of you. It’s fine to do crap jobs, say between college semesters or school, if it’s leading up to something, but not when it’s a lifestyle necessity, hence our current immigration policy to fill those poorly paid and uninspiring job vacancies. You will find that the people that moan the most about the unemployed are the people with the luxury of good jobs and were always going to have luxury jobs, along way from the trap door..

    The Job Centers mantra is ‘jobs without workers need workers without jobs’, and so workers without jobs need to take the jobs without workers. With Gordon Brown talking about using US style workfare where you have to work for our equivalent of the Wal-Marts and MacDonald’s for the minimum wage, if you don’t, then cutting your benefits after 6 months, don’t be surprised to see Labor being voted out next time, Brown effectively taking on and alienating his core voting demographic. Like I said in a previous review the champagne socialist that run New Labor wouldn’t be seen dead inviting those core voters to their dinner parties. With insane policies like paying women ever increasing maternity wages for most of the year and the working tax credit nonsense the country will need the great unwashed up and out of their stinking pits very soon to cut the government spend.

    The staff
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    I find the staff an interesting bunch, a mix of well meaning socialist looking out for the underclass and apathetic job seekers (making use of that sociology and arts degree), whilst others are secret right wing extremists, perhaps doing the job for a bit too long with the realization-and satisfaction-that its the same people that claim the dole over and over again.

    When you’re signing-on you go through this fortnightly ritual, sitting opposite the lefty behind the counter and lie about your job search, documented in a little time sheet you are given to fill in. You know its bo**ocks and they know its bo**ocks, but you still have to prove to them you have been looking for work before you get the signature. The Job Centre staff, although mostly despising you, ironically need you not to not find a job to keep theirs, expressing that ambiguity in their contact with clients, one of the many contradictions you experience in these places. The only one who wants you to find work is the Centre manager, usually on a bonus for turning over claims etc.

    There’s always a constant flat-line of unemployed people in the UK if you ask me and it’s down to that particular managers juggling skills to keep his figures down, not up, all manner of schemes and ‘reclassifications’ of the jobless registers to keep those numbers constant. If you think the people who don’t or can’t find work through these mendacious schemes are minimal then you would be sadly mistaken, currently 5.2 million people of working age classed as economically ‘inactive’ right now, hence the transient immigration policy. That’s 5.2 million potential Labor voters hooked into state handouts.

    Job points
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    The days of the little cards up on the board are long gone; now, electronic job points the method of search and application. The cards were great because when a good job actually turned up you could pinch the card and so radically increase the chance of you getting the job. Now it’s all computerized and the jobs neatly laid out in your chosen search option, touch-screen to retrieve them...
    They are pretty efficient pieces of kit but I noticed that many of the jobs classed as full-time are in fact crappy agencies jobs, painted as good jobs to make it look like there’s lots of work about. Duplication is the norm here. All the same vacancies can be accessed from the government website for the same job centre set up.

    I have just moved from a very big town in the south and there were only 123 vacancies for the whole town. Britain may feel prosperous but anyone in the job market will know it couldn’t be further from the truth, many fighting the new wave of immigrants for fewer and fewer positions, especially the minimum wage slaves. I think unemployment is constant, however good the figures, the jobless hidden away on schemes and disabled benefits for politically expedient reasons.

    You are given a print-out of your chosen job application, three pages of Brazilian rain forest with all the contact details and more. You also have the option to follow up the job through a national call-centre, free phones provided at the Job Centre. I believe that f you are signing –on you have to follow up the jobs you go for or they penalize you.

    Resort courses.
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    It really is like the League of Gentleman’s job club with Pauline as you experience the most depressing 13 weeks of your life. Patronizing is not the word, although you can but the narcotic of your choice at very reasonable prices at these centers.
    The clip board is there and the Mickey’s (the dole scum from the comedy series) are there, people on the dole forever because its all they know, just as posh kids become lawyers because its all their parents let them know. Life is like that. Nothing is really that capricious on this chaotic but order planet.

    Signing on was all about 13 weeks. This is the time you are allowed to sign before you get your first interview. It’s the time span of most mandatory course. Courses designed to intimidate you off the dole rather than into a job. 13 weeks is the time it takes to sign off completely. If you sign back on during that period you go back to where you were in your claim. The Job Seeker claim rates are going up and down because people sign off after a year to avoid these degrading schemes and courses, jobseekers preferring to commit crime than pack a room full of dysfunctional people all summer.
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    I was on the dole for 8 weeks, they really didn't check wether I was looking for work (But I was, and I have a good one now). I just waited, got a signiture and left.
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    Nice cut and paste job, OP.
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    I've just signed off today. Had to go in for a one on one interview, so I could move up to stage 2. So glad I got a job, even if it is only a christmas temp job. Hated it at the 'house of doom' job centre. 13 weeks of soul destroying.
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    Loads of jobs about its just many require experience or are very specific industries. Although I did always want to be an underwater sound tester....
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    I was on job seekers allowance for a bit after graduating and I'd like to say, in their defence, they were really good with me.

    They were understanding that I wanted a graduate job rather than any job and the staff were genuinely friendly and helpful.

    If you go in there with a bad attitude and treat them badly I'm sure you will get it right back. I was always cheerful and friendly with them and they treated me the same way.

    One of the guys even went through some mock interview questions with me to help me prepare for an interview I had later that day - something that's completely out of his remit. I was quite sad when I signed off and said goodbye to him actually.

    I'm not going to comment on the politics behind it all but from my experiences I certainly don't think the staff deserve all the bad press they get.
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    (Original post by halfoflessthan50p)

    I'm not going to comment on the politics behind it all but from my experiences I certainly don't think the staff deserve all the bad press they get.
    They deserve every nasty and derogative comment aimed at them. They're lazy, rude and most of all loathe what they do.

    It's the ultimate irony that they hate what they do, because if there weren't unemployed people for them to try and "help", they'd be unemployed themselves.
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    im glad i didnt have to go there. i would prefer live on baked beans, not being able to go out for a few weeks, and handing cvs everywhere then go to such a soul destroying place to pick up £50.
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    Over analysing a bit?
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    That's a shame you feel like that. I've been on the dole for 13 weeks now and I've had a reasonably pleasant experience with them - the staff seem understanding that it's difficult for graduates at the moment, they referred me onto a workshop that was really useful, and all the staff I have come into contact with have been friendly and want to help. Yes some of them are a bit ditszy, and the amount of paper they waste is pretty bad, but it really isn't as bad as the op makes out.

    Anyway, the OP is wrong about the 13 weeks thing - at least for young people anyway. Yes you have to have a longer interview at 13 weeks but after that they just put you on stage 2 which involves weekly sign-ons and they try to help you a bit more. Even after that, stage 3 is pretty much more of the same although they can then set up interviews which you would be expected to go to and a few other things.

    Anyway I'm glad I've been getting my 50 quid or so a week, the hoops are pretty easy to jump through and I do feel that they are trying to help me even though I haven't had any success so far.
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    (Original post by EsStupido)
    They deserve every nasty and derogative comment aimed at them. They're lazy, rude and most of all loathe what they do.

    It's the ultimate irony that they hate what they do, because if there weren't unemployed people for them to try and "help", they'd be unemployed themselves.

    Hold on, i just read your sig!!!!!! :eek3:
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    (Original post by CuteStar*)
    Hold on, i just read your sig!!!!!! :eek3:
    Happy days.
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    I was on the dole for about 2 months a few years back. Walking in that centre was the single most soul destroying activity I've ever undertaken. The staff weren't rude, but they were clearly highly dissillusioned with the system. On the initial interview when assessing my skills/qualifications there was genuine surprise in their voice and face when I explained that I had Alevels...

    In the end, I got a job without their assistance and never went back.
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    (Original post by EsStupido)
    Happy days.
    Um, random!
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    (Original post by CuteStar*)
    Hold on, i just read your sig!!!!!! :eek3:
    You're a bit late. LOL?
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    (Original post by CuteStar*)
    Um, random!
    Sorry, can't help how I feel. :woo:
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    I have to say that I agree with the OP

    I signed on about 2 years ago, it may have changed since then but I hated going to my local jobcentre. I have never done anything so demeaning in my entire life. I was embarassed just parking the car outside and everytime I went I dreaded anyone I knew seeing me going in. My local Jobcentre is like hell on earth, you cannot even get in for the drug addicts, alcoholics, homeless people and general layabouts hanging around outside.

    The staff I found were completely unhelpful. They offered me no assistance whatsoever in finding a job. It was just basically "carry on what you are doing" every time I went and I was offered no support or encouragement, and they basically admitted there was nothing they could do to help me as I was overqualified. Not long after I found a job and thank god, did not have to go back.

    Then after all that they refused my claim anyway (took about 2 months for them to assess me) so I'd gone to that hell hole for absolutely nothing.

    My sister used to work for the Jobcentre, she still has friends that work they now. Even they say it's crap, which says a lot.
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    (Original post by attiegina)
    The Job Centre staff, although mostly despising you, ironically need you not to not find a job to keep theirs
    Not true, sooo not true.

    The only one who wants you to find work is the Centre manager, usually on a bonus for turning over claims etc.
    Bonuses? In the Civil Service? Don't think so. Managers certainly don't get paid extra if people sign off.

    (Original post by halfoflessthan50p)
    If you go in there with a bad attitude and treat them badly I'm sure you will get it right back. I was always cheerful and friendly with them and they treated me the same way.
    Pretty much this. Contrary to popular belief, Jobcentre staff are human. If you come in and are positive and kind, you'll get the same back. If you come in with a bad attitude, the staff will react to that in the way anyone else would. If you're rude, why do you think you'll get a lot of help and a good attitude back? If someone treated you like crap I guarantee you wouldn't put yourself out to help them over and above the basics.

    I am genuinely happy when someone comes in and tells me they have a job. I signed on for a year, I know how depressing it gets to not have a job. I really like seeing people with a smile on their face because they've found a job.


    (Original post by EsStupido)
    They deserve every nasty and derogative comment aimed at them. They're lazy, rude and most of all loathe what they do.
    See, that attitude won't get you anywhere.

    It's the ultimate irony that they hate what they do, because if there weren't unemployed people for them to try and "help", they'd be unemployed themselves.
    Not true, Jobcentres do a lot more than just sign people and no matter what, they'll always exist in some form. Most jobs there aren't reliant on a certain number of people being unemployed and so your point isn't valid.

    Basically it comes down to this, you treat the staff with respect, you'll get respect back. You go in thinking you're better than them, trust me you won't get a good reaction back.

    The whole idea of it being demeaning and depressing is all in the mind of the person. Frankly if you can't handle going into a building for 10 minutes max every 2 weeks, you probably need to address that first before looking for a job. We have ex company directors signing on at the moment, and they come in and sign along with everyone else. Surprisingly they're all accepting of the fact that since they're out of work, they need to sign and so happily do that. If we go with stereotypes, those people should find it hard and depressing, but the don't.
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    Crikey, couldn't agree more! During college I was working & saving up, then I lost my job when the company had to make cutbacks. I didn't have much luck finding something else on my own so I went to the job centre. They told me I could claim job seekers allowance, and get advice/support whilst ... seeking jobs.
    The woman I saw bi-monthly never offered me help, she didn't even check their database for new jobs I could apply for - I know they're all online, but the new ones tend to be advertised around the job centre/details given to you by the staff. She requested I bring a copy of my CV once, to see if it could be improved then gave me a template that was identical to how I'd already set it out :|
    And when I did find a job & stop getting JSA, they demanded £92 back as they 'over paid on my claim' !
 
 
 
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