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    (Original post by Aphotic Cosmos)
    Ultimately, both an elected presidency and a hereditary monarchy come with significant costs attached - a republic would possibly be slightly cheaper, but the difference is not as huge as most other republicans (I am a republican) would like to believe. If there is an argument to be made for a republic, then it is not a financial one.

    I also don't think that, in a parliamentary system, having a monarch makes us undemocratic. It would matter a lot if the executive was a separate body rather than being invested in the legislature, but since it's not it's not particularly relevant to our democratic credentials.
    Thank you.

    I was probably unclear with my second post. It was just another question that cropped up. I didn't mean to say it was connected to how democratic Britain is or not Sorry for the misunderstanding
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    It is a ship of fools who elect their own captain, just like every other democracy.


    (Original post by germanunity)
    sparta was the worlds only true democracy
    Sparta was a timarchy. You haven't been reading your Plato, have you?
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    I prefer Will Self's opinion that we're more of an electoral dictatorship than a democracy :holmes:
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    (Original post by Larriant)
    If people want a democracy then FPTP is one of the stupidest systems possible.

    If people don't want a democracy then FPTP could continue to be successful but only at pushing forward the agendas of minority groups and not taking into account the "real" beliefs and votes of people.
    Could you explain, then, how under PR it is almost always these "minority groups" who decide who forms the government?

    PR may be proportional in terms of seats but to power and influence? Not at all.
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    Britian is soon becoming a plutocracy. Check out the site below.
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    (Original post by AnythingButChardonnay)
    Could you explain, then, how under PR it is almost always these "minority groups" who decide who forms the government?

    PR may be proportional in terms of seats but to power and influence? Not at all.
    I think that under a proper PR system such as STV the political landscape would change completely. Britain would no longer be running on the basis of a two party system of ruling cliques. We would have a plethora of parties. Some would be for the far right and others the far left and everything in between. These parties on their own would not hold the sway of power. The labour party would probably divide between centrists and socialists. The Conservatives would divide into parties for neo cons and neo liberals.

    This would be to the advantage of everyone. As no one party would ever hold the balance of power but a multitude would have to combine to form very centrist leaning governments.

    Despite this I think that even the current government is a case in point for why PR and more coalitions are a good thing. The liberal democrats have tamed the far right in the conservative degree so instead of looking at a Thatcherite government we still see a fairly central one.
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    Britian is becoming a dictatorship.
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    UK news channels are biased towards the UK. Thats just how it is, same in every country. We learned about it in media studies but I can't remember what the technical name for it is.
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    It's more like an oligarchy with a veneer of democracy.
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    (Original post by Aphotic Cosmos)
    Ultimately, both an elected presidency and a hereditary monarchy come with significant costs attached - a republic would possibly be slightly cheaper, but the difference is not as huge as most other republicans (I am a republican) would like to believe. If there is an argument to be made for a republic, then it is not a financial one.

    I also don't think that, in a parliamentary system, having a monarch makes us undemocratic. It would matter a lot if the executive was a separate body rather than being invested in the legislature, but since it's not it's not particularly relevant to our democratic credentials.
    Britian is controlled by the Elite.
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    Britian is a dictatorship formed from a plutocracy.
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    It's kind of funny if you look at the theoretical power that the House of Commons has. They don't have to call elections, they can overrule any decision by the Lords, they can take away all of the queen's powers and pass any law they want (probably have to leave EU first...).

    Of course it would mean international condemnation and anarchy, but checks and balances? nah.
    Yeah, and leaving the EU wouldn't be too difficult, since they could just repeal the act. In theory they could repeal the whole system and start again. Since we don't have a real written protected constitution.

    Not that they'd do it... but they really could.
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    The country has the pretence of a democracy, but at the top power is controlled by a few.
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    Probably less of a democracy than say 20-30 years ago, especially with the greater role of party whips and the rise of more people whose whole career is as a politician or working for one. That said, there aren't many countries who are more democratic.
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    (Original post by Gabriela)
    As the title says... I have just been wondering lately, even more so after beginning this year's history course on Russia, whether Britain could be defined as a democratic country?

    Think about the media coverage, even the music played on the radio- in many countries, in fact just as you cross the English channel, you can tune into radio channels, which play music from all over the world. Do you think the illusionary "friendship" with America has a big impact on what our society looks like today? Do the news, although supposedly not being meant to be biased, show us their subjective judgments, although many of us not always spot it?

    Can we actually use the dictionary definition of democracy to define Britain? :confused:

    Any serious responses would me much appreciated I just am a bit confused
    Hi Gabriela, I’m really happy someone has these sort of thoughts and
    doubts. I think I have an excerpt from an article that answers you question.

    “Sometimes it doesn’t feel like Britain is a democratic country,
    does it?. Well, first of all I must say, it feels the same every where
    in the world, not only in Europe or in the US.

    We have some freedom, of course, but we are ruled by some people
    above us, aren’t we? Britain isn’t anarchic. Nowhere in the world
    society has ever been.



    The mass media unbiased? How can they be? They belong to the
    ruling system. What’s wrong with that? It has always been like that.
    Everything that goes on TV is made in accordance to the
    policy that the ruling system has designed. Every advert or film or
    show or news coverage - basically every single thing you see on TV -
    has been agreed with a competent institution.

    We have total freedom of speech, but not on TV. The same is for radio,
    newspapers, magazines, films, and books that are sold in official authorised
    book shops. We cannot publish there. It has always been like that.

    Does that mean that Britain is not a democratic country? Well, I am
    talking freely. The law allows me to tell you the things I am telling
    you. I can do so in the internet, in the street and in my own media.
    This is why I think that when we talk about freedom of expression
    Britain as well and Europe and the US is not too bad!”
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    (Original post by sea john)
    Hi Gabriela, I’m really happy someone has these sort of thoughts and
    doubts. I think I have an excerpt from an article that answers you question.

    “Sometimes it doesn’t feel like Britain is a democratic country,
    does it?. Well, first of all I must say, it feels the same every where
    in the world, not only in Europe or in the US.

    We have some freedom, of course, but we are ruled by some people
    above us, aren’t we? Britain isn’t anarchic. Nowhere in the world
    society has ever been.



    The mass media unbiased? How can they be? They belong to the
    ruling system. What’s wrong with that? It has always been like that.
    Everything that goes on TV is made in accordance to the
    policy that the ruling system has designed. Every advert or film or
    show or news coverage - basically every single thing you see on TV -
    has been agreed with a competent institution.

    We have total freedom of speech, but not on TV. The same is for radio,
    newspapers, magazines, films, and books that are sold in official authorised
    book shops. We cannot publish there. It has always been like that.

    Does that mean that Britain is not a democratic country? Well, I am
    talking freely. The law allows me to tell you the things I am telling
    you. I can do so in the internet, in the street and in my own media.
    This is why I think that when we talk about freedom of expression
    Britain as well and Europe and the US is not too bad!”
    I would have thought that it crosses most people's minds, I just decided to post it on here Thank you for the article
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    I think we meet the basic definition of a democracy. The UK however could stand to be a lot freer.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    *Athens
    A free society with slavery? A contradiction if there ever was one.
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    (Original post by sea john)
    Hi Gabriela, I’m really happy someone has these sort of thoughts and
    doubts. I think I have an excerpt from an article that answers you question.

    “Sometimes it doesn’t feel like Britain is a democratic country,
    does it?. Well, first of all I must say, it feels the same every where
    in the world, not only in Europe or in the US.

    We have some freedom, of course, but we are ruled by some people
    above us, aren’t we? Britain isn’t anarchic. Nowhere in the world
    society has ever been.



    The mass media unbiased? How can they be? They belong to the
    ruling system. What’s wrong with that? It has always been like that.
    Everything that goes on TV is made in accordance to the
    policy that the ruling system has designed. Every advert or film or
    show or news coverage - basically every single thing you see on TV -
    has been agreed with a competent institution.

    We have total freedom of speech, but not on TV. The same is for radio,
    newspapers, magazines, films, and books that are sold in official authorised
    book shops. We cannot publish there. It has always been like that.

    Does that mean that Britain is not a democratic country? Well, I am
    talking freely. The law allows me to tell you the things I am telling
    you. I can do so in the internet, in the street and in my own media.
    This is why I think that when we talk about freedom of expression
    Britain as well and Europe and the US is not too bad!”
    Democracy never meant total freedom. It simply means rule by the people, in that the people in theory make decisions.
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    (Original post by rajandkwameali)
    A free society with slavery? A contradiction if there ever was one.
    Whatever you say but Athens was the first democracy.

    Slaves also were not citizens so it is still a democracy
 
 
 
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