Law firms, Vac Schemes, and 2:2's in first year Watch

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Does anyone know any law firms that offer vac schemes with a 2:2 in your first year?

Or any firms that require a 2:1 but are lenient with first year grades?

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Hi Chigz!

Sometimes it can depend on the applicant's extra-curicular activities, positions of resp, work experience and interview/assessment day technique etc. Some candidates do manage to secure VS with 2.2 in their first year.

I was told by a Partner from BLP to secure high grades in my second year to show that I had excelled and that I can pull out good grades. In my first year I got a 2.2 (57%) and in my second year I got a few Firsts and averaged a high 2.1 overall.

I applied to a few firms for VS's and got short-listed by Capsticks and Beachcroft. This shows that a 2.2 in your first year is not the end of the world. Although you do need to demonstrate other qualities that show that you're a good candidate.

However, as you've probably read in the forum, some law firms filter applications and therefore if you haven't recieved a 2.1 in your first year you will not be considered by them.

Good luck with it all!
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Hi Chigz!

Sometimes it can depend on the applicant's extra-curicular activities, positions of resp, work experience and interview/assessment day technique etc. Some candidates do manage to secure VS with 2.2 in their first year.

I was told by a Partner from BLP to secure high grades in my second year to show that I had excelled and that I can pull out good grades. In my first year I got a 2.2 (57%) and in my second year I got a few Firsts and averaged a high 2.1 overall.

I applied to a few firms for VS's and got short-listed by Capsticks and Beachcroft. This shows that a 2.2 in your first year is not the end of the world. Although you do need to demonstrate other qualities that show that you're a good candidate.

However, as you've probably read in the forum, some law firms filter applications and therefore if you haven't recieved a 2.1 in your first year you will not be considered by them.

Good luck with it all!
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Hi guys,

I achieved a basic 2.2 in my first year. But managed to secure a vacation scheme at Watson, Farley & Williams in my second year.

The trick is to apply early, make your extra curriculars look impressive and really highlight transferable skills from previous work experience.

Hope that helps
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(Original post by chigz32)
Does anyone know any law firms that offer vac schemes with a 2:2 in your first year?

Or any firms that require a 2:1 but are lenient with first year grades?

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One of my friends got a 2:2 in the first year (I think around 58ish) but then put the work in for the second year and got around 68-67.

Her first year grades pretty much put her out of contention for vac schemes (this is for city law firms though) but she still managed to get a TC. However, she spent the summer between second and third year doing a *lot* of volunteer work with the CAB and other firms.

So even if you don't secure a vac scheme it's not the end of the world.
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(Original post by TriggerT2)
One of my friends got a 2:2 in the first year (I think around 58ish) but then put the work in for the second year and got around 68-67.

Her first year grades pretty much put her out of contention for vac schemes (this is for city law firms though) but she still managed to get a TC. However, she spent the summer between second and third year doing a *lot* of volunteer work with the CAB and other firms.

So even if you don't secure a vac scheme it's not the end of the world.
I got 58 too, so I thought I was a bit buggered.

We had a law fair last week, and talking to the solicitors there, it doesnt seem like the end of the world if you got a 2:2 in year one. Some of the firms I talked to said they don't have a cut-off limit of 2:1, so that put my mind at ease!
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I got 58 too, so I thought I was a bit buggered.

We had a law fair last week, and talking to the solicitors there, it doesnt seem like the end of the world if you got a 2:2 in year one. Some of the firms I talked to said they don't have a cut-off limit of 2:1, so that put my mind at ease!
Yeah exactly. I think what's more important now is making sure you do things in your second year (i.e. all that extra curricular and get a good 2:1) to justify it as a 'blip.'
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Yeah exactly. I think what's more important now is making sure you do things in your second year (i.e. all that extra curricular and get a good 2:1) to justify it as a 'blip.'
Yup, I've got my EC's on the go, so its just a case of head down and work
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I averaged 57% in first year (and i got a third in one module :O, though I did get a 1st in another) and I have a telephone interview tomorrow with Shoosmiths who said when I went on a visit day that they never consider applicants with 2.2s in 1st year. So really don't worry - if I can get an interview at a place that says they dont give them to people with 2.2s in 1st year, anyone can!
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I would say you'd have to do something pretty special in this market to get across the line with a 2:2.

In the absence of achieving anything formal I would strongly recommend you spend your summer volunteering and badgering any and all legal contacts for unpaid experience.
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I know someone that got a 2.2 in their first and second years but secured a vacation scheme (with no connections) at the then Lovells LLP.
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I know a couple of people who got VSs and subsequently TCs at Norton Rose with 2:2s.
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As an aside, I also know Norton Rose aren't so fussy about getting a 2.2 in your overall degree either for their training contracts. Although you do need to be aiming at a 2.1 to apply for a TC, their actual offer letter does not state that the candidate must achieve a 2.1.
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I averaged a 2.1 in 1st year but got one 2.2 grade. This caused me to be rejected from a number of top firms.
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I averaged a 2.1 in 1st year but got one 2.2 grade. This caused me to be rejected from a number of top firms.
How would you know this to be the case instead of the wide range of other possibilities? I know of no top-firms that provide feedback on application form rejections. I think they only provide feedback from unsuccessful interviews, in which case if you had reached this stage they would surely have deemed your grades to be sufficient already?
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How would you know this to be the case instead of the wide range of other possibilities? I know of no top-firms that provide feedback on application form rejections. I think they only provide feedback from unsuccessful interviews, in which case if you had reached this stage they would surely have deemed your grades to be sufficient already?
Baker & McKenzie and Freshfields both sent me rejection emails mentioning that they require applicants to be on course for a 2.1, and to demonstrate that they require applicants to have a 2.1 in all first year modules.

As proof, I include the Bakers rejection:

Dear xxx
Thank you for your recent online application to Baker & McKenzie.

Unfortunately your application for a vacation scheme has been unsuccessful as it does not meet our academic requirements.

To be considered for a vacation scheme you must have the following:

AAB in your top three A-levels (excluding General Studies)and demonstrate that you are on course for a high 2:1 in your degree. We would therefore be looking for 60% or above in all modules taken.

Thank you for your interest in Baker & McKenzie.

Yours sincerely

xxx

Graduate Recruitment & Development Manager
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I got 58 too, so I thought I was a bit buggered.

We had a law fair last week, and talking to the solicitors there, it doesnt seem like the end of the world if you got a 2:2 in year one. Some of the firms I talked to said they don't have a cut-off limit of 2:1, so that put my mind at ease!
Which firms don't have a cut-off limit of a 2.1?
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I scraped a 2.2 in my first year, and, well, stuff from other threads I feel dumb for repeating.
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First year results: 70, 58, 54, 44

And I have a VS at Shoosmiths. So it can't matter that much! Shoosmiths are a very big firm
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