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Eligible for foreign armies?
I have (latent and controllable) asthma, and so am ineligible for the British army, are there any other armies which allow foreigners and arent so strict on asthma?
Given that 1/4 of children will have asthma soo i reckon that policy has got to change at some point...
Given that 1/4 of children will have asthma soo i reckon that policy has got to change at some point...
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OppressedMass
I have (latent and controllable) asthma, and so am ineligible for the British army, are there any other armies which allow foreigners and arent so strict on asthma?
Given that 1/4 of children will have asthma soo i reckon that policy has got to change at some point...
Given that 1/4 of children will have asthma soo i reckon that policy has got to change at some point...
surely no army allows foreigners??
I cannot think of any armed forces that would allow foreigners entry (with the exception of Britain and its commonwealth). Oh apart from the French Foreign Legion, but that would be your call, I say no more.
My advice to you is that if you want the job really really badly then just don't tell them you have asthma. A couple of pilots I was speaking to today have hay fever but they just ticked the box that said no when filling out their application forms and they have never had any problems.
But I would never lie, this is just relayed information, again, its your call.
My advice to you is that if you want the job really really badly then just don't tell them you have asthma. A couple of pilots I was speaking to today have hay fever but they just ticked the box that said no when filling out their application forms and they have never had any problems.
But I would never lie, this is just relayed information, again, its your call.
I think places like Australia and New Zealand take people. I'm sure i read it somewhere. However that might of been about them poaching people from the UK armed forces because they were short. Not sure.
And as mentioned, you could always tell a few fibs. As mentioned, pilots often say they don't get hayfever etc, and if questioned, explain it as a summer cold.
How bad is your asthma? Not knowing much about the subject, how you describe it means little to me!
Mark
Oh and i wouldn't join the french foreign legion, i've looked at it and websites even explain how to go AWOL, so it can't be such an awesome unit to be in - altho it isn't full of criminals as you may think!
And as mentioned, you could always tell a few fibs. As mentioned, pilots often say they don't get hayfever etc, and if questioned, explain it as a summer cold.
How bad is your asthma? Not knowing much about the subject, how you describe it means little to me!
Mark
Oh and i wouldn't join the french foreign legion, i've looked at it and websites even explain how to go AWOL, so it can't be such an awesome unit to be in - altho it isn't full of criminals as you may think!
Syntax
Ach and I gave up my dream of being an RAF pilot because I have hayfever. It is pretty severe though
yeah they may get suspicious in cases like that. my comment was more targeted to like mild sufferers. i think i get mild hayfever. never gonna tell them that tho.
How far did you get before you gave up the dream? i'm really sorry to here that. I know i'd be devestated if i found out i was like unfit to fly, so i truely do feel sorry.
Mark
Syntax
Don't feel too sorry for me.. I only got as far as being interested (well, slightly obsessed with the idea) before I realised that the fact that I have bad hayfever (evidence of which is on my medical records) made it kinda pointless to start applying.
Yeah but still, to have a dream and have it wiped away must be hard, and i will feel sorry, because i want that dream too! So what are you doing now? anything to do with the forces? or plans for the forces? (well obviously, since you were asking about foreign forces!)
Nah the OP was asking... I just kinda jumped in after seeing the hayfever thing lol
I have gone for the exciting route of... a History degree, hopefully
I'm not entirely sure I would have enough discipline for the army anyway, but I still entertain the idea of joining after getting a degree and doing a normal job for a bit.
I have gone for the exciting route of... a History degree, hopefully
I'm not entirely sure I would have enough discipline for the army anyway, but I still entertain the idea of joining after getting a degree and doing a normal job for a bit.Syntax
Nah the OP was asking... I just kinda jumped in after seeing the hayfever thing lol
I have gone for the exciting route of... a History degree, hopefully I'm not entirely sure I would have enough discipline for the army anyway, but I still entertain the idea of joining after getting a degree and doing a normal job for a bit.
I have gone for the exciting route of... a History degree, hopefully
I'm not entirely sure I would have enough discipline for the army anyway, but I still entertain the idea of joining after getting a degree and doing a normal job for a bit.Does army flying have the same medical restrictions as in the RAF?
spy007
surely no army allows foreigners??
Apparently the Gurkhas have done so. You can be a British officer of the Gurkha regiment but a private is a bit different I think.
mark1010
I think places like Australia and New Zealand take people. I'm sure i read it somewhere. However that might of been about them poaching people from the UK armed forces because they were short. Not sure.
mark1010
And as mentioned, you could always tell a few fibs. As mentioned, pilots often say they don't get hayfever etc, and if questioned, explain it as a summer cold.
And as mentioned, you could always tell a few fibs. As mentioned, pilots often say they don't get hayfever etc, and if questioned, explain it as a summer cold.
Good god, do people still believe that you can lie on a government form and lie to gain entry to the armed forces? I think it's disgusting and something that has been discussed many many times on this forum. You can be court martialled and imprisoned for providing false information. You can be dishonorably discharged. Yet you still want to lie on your forms? There is a reason why these measures are in place, and it is not to discriminate against people. If you have slight hayfever then you may think it's clever to lie about it but then how the hell are you going to fly?? Anyone with any experience at flying knows that even a slight cold can be horrifically painful when flying and you are recommended not to fly. You cannot be on medication when flying unless perscribed by an RAF MO, so how do you expect to control hayfever? If the problem is only slight then tell the goddamn truth and let an MO decide. After all if you fly when unfit you are putting your life at risk, as well as the people around you. You may have a dream that you want satisfied but that doesn't mean you have to be dishonorable in order to get it. Being an Officer in the RAF is about integrity and strength of character. People who lie in order to get in have neither in my opinion and they are not people I would want to serve with.
OppressedMass
I have (latent and controllable) asthma, and so am ineligible for the British army, are there any other armies which allow foreigners and arent so strict on asthma?
Given that 1/4 of children will have asthma soo i reckon that policy has got to change at some point...
Given that 1/4 of children will have asthma soo i reckon that policy has got to change at some point...
Well, with an Army of 100 000 and a country of upwards of 50 000 000, even if 12 500 000 are ineligible through asthma that leaves plenty.
Controllable asthma's no use in combat; if you're fighting for your life somewhere, you don't want an attack; even if it is controllable by medication. What if you're stationed somewhere for a while without access to medication?
If it manifests itself as any form of wheezing or affects performance, then not only are you ineligible, you're unsafe. You don't want to die because you forgot to tick a form on a box, do you?
It's been said dozens of times here. Things like asthma are a bar to entry FOR A REASON. An asthma attack will kill you in a Harrier, it can certainly kill you if it happens out in the desert somewhere under fire. Hayfever can stop you flying for months, leading to all sorts of CR/currency/posting difficulties.
Lying on a medical form will get you thrown out; which is a bit of a waste after a few years. Don't do it!
mankyscot2
My advice to you is that if you want the job really really badly then just don't tell them you have asthma. A couple of pilots I was speaking to today have hay fever but they just ticked the box that said no when filling out their application forms and they have never had any problems.
If that's your advice I'd say you're better off keeping it to yourself! If a bloke gets killed because even a mild asthma attack impaired his performance, how would that make you feel?
Mild hayfever for aircrew has always been a snag. Thousands of people get slightly sniffly during summer, but as long as you haven't had it diagnosed as hayfever then it's not necessarily that. Plenty of people suffer from slightly heightened allergies during dry summer months, but it's not hayfever.
If you lie on a form, you're a bloody idiot. They haven't created all these rules to please themselves, they're in place to stop people joining who would put themselves and others in danger.
Next you'll be saying it's alright for a bloke with "latent and medically-controlled" epilepsy to fly a single seat jet?
BlackHawk
Exactly that, they poach people from the armed forces not joe public off civvy street.
Good god, do people still believe that you can lie on a government form and lie to gain entry to the armed forces? I think it's disgusting and something that has been discussed many many times on this forum. You can be court martialled and imprisoned for providing false information. You can be dishonorably discharged. Yet you still want to lie on your forms? There is a reason why these measures are in place, and it is not to discriminate against people. If you have slight hayfever then you may think it's clever to lie about it but then how the hell are you going to fly?? Anyone with any experience at flying knows that even a slight cold can be horrifically painful when flying and you are recommended not to fly. You cannot be on medication when flying unless perscribed by an RAF MO, so how do you expect to control hayfever? If the problem is only slight then tell the goddamn truth and let an MO decide. After all if you fly when unfit you are putting your life at risk, as well as the people around you. You may have a dream that you want satisfied but that doesn't mean you have to be dishonorable in order to get it. Being an Officer in the RAF is about integrity and strength of character. People who lie in order to get in have neither in my opinion and they are not people I would want to serve with.
Good god, do people still believe that you can lie on a government form and lie to gain entry to the armed forces? I think it's disgusting and something that has been discussed many many times on this forum. You can be court martialled and imprisoned for providing false information. You can be dishonorably discharged. Yet you still want to lie on your forms? There is a reason why these measures are in place, and it is not to discriminate against people. If you have slight hayfever then you may think it's clever to lie about it but then how the hell are you going to fly?? Anyone with any experience at flying knows that even a slight cold can be horrifically painful when flying and you are recommended not to fly. You cannot be on medication when flying unless perscribed by an RAF MO, so how do you expect to control hayfever? If the problem is only slight then tell the goddamn truth and let an MO decide. After all if you fly when unfit you are putting your life at risk, as well as the people around you. You may have a dream that you want satisfied but that doesn't mean you have to be dishonorable in order to get it. Being an Officer in the RAF is about integrity and strength of character. People who lie in order to get in have neither in my opinion and they are not people I would want to serve with.
Umm yes i believe you can still lie, based on some people i know who have done just that and are now in the RAF... I don't think its right however and i completely agree with what you say.
Mark
Well I think that those who lie in order to get into the armed forces do not stand for anything that is being an Officer. I would strongly discourage anyone from doing so, and quite frankly if someone does I think they are a moron. If your problem isn't bad then let an MO decide.
People have told the truth about attempted suicide, let alone having mild hayfever and they still gianed entry. I told them absolutlyy everything including the fact that I wore glasses and was applying for pilot. They still tested me.
People have told the truth about attempted suicide, let alone having mild hayfever and they still gianed entry. I told them absolutlyy everything including the fact that I wore glasses and was applying for pilot. They still tested me.
mark1010
Umm yes i believe you can still lie, based on some people i know who have done just that and are now in the RAF... I don't think its right however and i completely agree with what you say.
I know a couple of people who have been thrown out for lying; and I know a couple killed in an accident which had a contributory factor relating to a medical condition someone lied about.
The common sense attitude is the same. Anything in your medical records will be checked. If you lie, then you won't get in. If you tell the truth, you might get in. If you hide hayfever or asthma, then you'll find yourself in a lot of trouble.
We sniffed out dozens and dozens when I worked at OASC. EFT instructor mates have found out loads more; when your eyes and nose start pissing mucus in the summer, it's hard to hide! If you have an asthma attack when sitting next to your instructor after a spin, what do you think is likely to happen to your career?
It's the extreme, but BlackHawk's not wrong when they say it's a court martial offence.
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