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the Norwegian Liberal party is economically conservative/liberal and socially liberal/radical. To make things even more confusing, the Norwegian name is Venstre (for historical reasons) which means "left".
therefore it is New Liberalism and would be classed as left wing by me, although political compass' way is far better.
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National Socialist Deutsches Arbeits Party
So National Socialist German Workers Party
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JSM there is no need to be so personal about everyone (re: 'idiot' and 'you have problems') I take the point that Liberalism is economically right and socially left - however it is the more totalitarian right which tend to rubbish the views and sentiments of Libertarians as Left Wing - this is very obtuse in my view - Yes I am left on social issues and right on economic views - but those who comprise the majority of the landed conservative gentry and the intolerant ones in the lower classes always label protests and libertarian causes as left wing - it is totally untrue and slanderous - the premise on which these activities are undertaken are certainly not 'left-wing' although the people who take part may well be. therefore u cannot tell me that i am being an idiot - many socialists supported the war and so one cant label supporting the war as the preserve of the right-wing. this is similarly the case with liberal causes
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People should form their political opinions based on what THEY believe in, not based on what side of political spectrum that opinion corresponds too.
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How would you know you are left-wing liberal? I took a test and it said cente. I have no idea what that means.
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good points (previous two) JSM is particularly misinformed I feel
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therefore it is New Liberalism and would be classed as left wing by me, although political compass' way is far better.
They've formed a coalition government with the Conservatives and the Christian Party. Left-wing, haha.
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To the idiot who keeps bringing up the National Socialist Party as an example of socialism... they weren't. This was the Nazi Party. Hitler put communists and socialists in concentration camps. *shakes head*

Liberal can be left wing or right wing. Classic liberalism is more economic liberalism, and is associated with Conservatives since Margret Thatcher and to a certain extend American Republicans. So that's right wing.

New liberalism is very similar to social democracy, and they're more interested in social and personal freedoms, and things like equality. They're less liberal on economic matters. That's left wing. Just because something's left wing, it doesn't make it bad, or communist.

Since the 1980s, the term "liberal" was hijacked by American conservatives as an insult to any and all lefties. You can still read books by American conservatives like Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage, whining about how liberals are ruining their country.
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This is an annoying trend for me - I am a liberal and am all for fairness and humanity - sweatshops/racial discrimination/unfair trade and the like are all abhorrent to me and i have in fact backed various causes - but the Right always presume to label such causes as left-wing or communist. I am in no way a supporter of Communism because it doesnt make sense - there is simply no incentive where everyone remains equal regardless of effort and hard work. However this doesnt stop the Right ignorantly labelling Libertarian causes as Communist. It is rather annoying that such causes are meant to be the preserve of the Left when i know people who are right of centre who are Libertarian. And why is it that only extreme political thoughts make sense and middle of the road liberal thought is described as 'wishy-washy' = this is outrageous and downright ignorant. Are either ends of the political scale particularly relevant in today's age? Surely Liberal ground is the place to be where each situation is taken account of as it arises rather than set, unapplicable policies exhibited by both the Left and the Right!
liberalism as you describe is my contemporary liberalism and is left wing.
communism is also left wing although on a different level
libertarian or classical liberalism is right-wing in the current climate
the difficulty is because right-left difference is seen as a two-way context, where in fact there is another dimension. more often than not, your economic convictions are a better indicator of your right/left stance.

being a liberal as you see it is left-wing, but whether you are leftwing based on all of your other beliefs is another matter.
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To the idiot who keeps bringing up the National Socialist Party as an example of socialism... they weren't. This was the Nazi Party. Hitler put communists and socialists in concentration camps. *shakes head*
they had socialist economic principles. they punished the rest because they wouldnt succumb to the party and both ideologies are generally incompatible with nationalism.

Liberal can be left wing or right wing. Classic liberalism is more economic liberalism, and is associated with Conservatives since Margret Thatcher and to a certain extend American Republicans. So that's right wing.
that is classical liberalism yes. liberalism today is not the same thing. i agree.

New liberalism is very similar to social democracy, and they're more interested in social and personal freedoms, and things like equality. They're less liberal on economic matters. That's left wing. Just because something's left wing, it doesn't make it bad, or communist.
yep, spot on.

Since the 1980s, the term "liberal" was hijacked by American conservatives as an insult to any and all lefties. You can still read books by American conservatives like Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and Michael Savage, whining about how liberals are ruining their country.
ahh, Ann. my heroine.
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ahh, Ann. my heroine.
Can't stand her personally. This is quite funny though.
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Can't stand her personally. This is quite funny though.
hehe, i know. im after the t-shirt.
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This is an annoying trend for me - I am a liberal and am all for fairness and humanity - sweatshops/racial discrimination/unfair trade and the like are all abhorrent to me and i have in fact backed various causes - but the Right always presume to label such causes as left-wing or communist. I am in no way a supporter of Communism because it doesnt make sense - there is simply no incentive where everyone remains equal regardless of effort and hard work. However this doesnt stop the Right ignorantly labelling Libertarian causes as Communist. It is rather annoying that such causes are meant to be the preserve of the Left when i know people who are right of centre who are Libertarian. And why is it that only extreme political thoughts make sense and middle of the road liberal thought is described as 'wishy-washy' = this is outrageous and downright ignorant. Are either ends of the political scale particularly relevant in today's age? Surely Liberal ground is the place to be where each situation is taken account of as it arises rather than set, unapplicable policies exhibited by both the Left and the Right!
Can I ask you a question? Do you understand the difference between being a "libertarian" which you mention above and have previously described yourself as, and a "liberal"?
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The right wing are just quick to jump on anything that disagree with them. Liberals don't seem to (no offence, and this is a totally objective view) stand for all that much and this is seen as a form of weakness by them.
Liberals stand for the most important things in society, and because these are so vast, they are hard to comprehend by others, so they seem them as null issues.
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pshaw.
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its ridiculous t try and link liberalism with either side. surely there are two parts to a political spectrum, left or right, and liberal or authoritariuan.

you can be left-liberal, left-authoritarian, right-liberal, or right-authoritarian

do a google on the political compass. it is meaningless to talk about liberals being labelled communist, beause it has no realtion to the other.
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