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Bristol, Notts or B'ham?

Lucy001

Which do you think is best for politics?

Reply 1

serendipity

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Lucy001

Which do you think is best for politics?

come to birmingham with me!! :biggrin:

Reply 2

BossLady

Bristol, or Notts
B'ham just doesnt have da status comparatively. No offence to any1 there.

Reply 3

clairey

Academically it has a brilliant reputation actually. It's just not as full of snobs as Bristol or Nottingham and doesn't have the oxbridge reject label. Choose Birmingham it has 1 of the best politics departments in the country.

Reply 4

.NK

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clairey

It's just not as full of snobs as Bristol or Nottingham and doesn't have the oxbridge reject label.

Please don't insult universities unless you've actually been to them... Nottingham is not full of snobs and a lot of the offers are as high as
Oxbridge.

(Edited because I can't spell)

Reply 5

clairey

I was only retaliating to the comment about b'ham. It seems like most people in this forum go to or will be going to unis that they seem to think are superior to lots of other excellent one like sheffield, bath and b'ham. It just really annoys me because there really isn't much separating the top unis so I don't seem why people have be derogatory about them.

Reply 6

.NK

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clairey

I was only retaliating to the comment about b'ham.

Sorry, I get a little defensive about Notts :biggrin:

Reply 7

sparkler

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clairey

It seems like most people in this forum go to or will be going to unis that they seem to think are superior to lots of other excellent one like sheffield, bath and b'ham. It just really annoys me because there really isn't much separating the top unis so I don't seem why people have be derogatory about them.

Word!

Reply 8

Lucy001

OP

sparkler

Word!

Hmmm I really like the B'ham course but I think I'll probably either choose Bristol, or re-apply to Cambridge- SPS is amazing...

Reply 9

Unregistered

Lucy001

Hmmm I really like the B'ham course but I think I'll probably either choose Bristol, or re-apply to Cambridge- SPS is amazing...

the sps course did look good but it does have a very low reputation, you would be *much* better off applying for ppe

oh and come to notts, i'm doing politics here and its fab!

Reply 10

zero101

on guardian league table bham is high 4 politics, (and eco for that matter)
but if u look at a decent table - The times univ guide 2004 ul c its 14th

so basically go 4 bristol or notts- whichever u prefer

Reply 11

BossLady

clairey

Academically it has a brilliant reputation actually. It's just not as full of snobs as Bristol or Nottingham and doesn't have the oxbridge reject label. Choose Birmingham it has 1 of the best politics departments in the country.

I beg to differ and I'm sure others will. B'ham doesn't have the oxbridge reject label because most of the people applying to B'ham aren't of the same calibre as oxbridge rejects(the good ones lol, not the idiots applying for fun with DDD). Bristol and Nottingham have such good names because they take all the people who oxbridge missed out on but could have taken or just plain academic people who didn't want to apply to oxbridge, whereas B'ham certainly attracts less oxbridge rejects who are of the oxbridge standard, or those oxbridge rejects who apply use B'ham as a last option.

You would be silly to take B'ham over Bristol or Notts. The course may rate more highly in some league tables, but most employers don't care about this, they care about the overall institution.

Sorry if I've offended anyone!!!! B'ham is still a good uni, but Notts/bristol are much better.

Reply 12

MurphysMoment.

BossLady

Bristol, or Notts
B'ham just doesnt have da status comparatively. No offence to any1 there.

That is utter bollocks; a recent survey of Birmingham showed that it was one of the best Political Science departments in the UK, I went to an open day there and the department looked amazing, get your facts straight before you march blindly into an insult.

Also acording to your logic BossLady every University is an oxbridge reject place.

Manchester is also very good for Politics by the way.

Oh and I forgot

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/displayPopup/0,,13442,00.html

Check where Birmingham is.

Idiot.

Also to all Politics students; my teacher said to me I was lucky I wasn't doing just Politics because it isn't very highly regarded by employers; unless you get a first.

Reply 13

BossLady

MurphysMoment.

That is utter bollocks; a recent survey of Birmingham showed that it was one of the best Political Science departments in the UK, I went to an open day there and the department looked amazing, get your facts straight before you march blindly into an insult.

Also acording to your logic BossLady every University is an oxbridge reject place.

Manchester is also very good for Politics by the way.

Oh and I forgot

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/displayPopup/0,,13442,00.html

Check where Birmingham is.

Idiot.

Also to all Politics students; my teacher said to me I was lucky I wasn't doing just Politics because it isn't very highly regarded by employers; unless you get a first.

There is no need for comments such as 'Idiot', it suggests that you have no coherent arguments to put forward and makes you sound quite pathetic. I have put my arguments forward and controversial as they seem to be, this is what i believe. You are entitled to put your arguments forward too, but seriously with the a whole paragraph compromising of 'Idiot', it does say a hell of a lot about your maturity LOL.

I think everyone needs to be more realistic here. Lucy001 has gained entry to three good places but I do feel that 2 in particular-Bristol and Notts, are a cut above the 3rd-B'ham. I am not slating B'ham though, I am being realistic. In general they are much better than B'ham. I also would not place too much weight on The Times ranking for subjects because some of the lists are a bit bizarre . Additionally, employers also don't place a major amount of deal on the rating of a department within a university, they are more concerned about the insititution itself. It would be a great mistake to choose B'ham over Bristol/Notts.

I think you missed out a point I made MurphysMoment. I said 'the good' oxbridge rejects, ie the ones who very narrowly missed out a place at oxbridge tend to go to uni's of a higher calibre e.g LSE, Warwick etc. Granted there are some who do go to slightly lower unis but the masses of them, because there are many who get rejected who may deserve a place, tend to go to the top top unis.

I am NOT disrespecting B'ham, because it IS a good uni. However only a fool would rate it above Notts & Bristol. Some realism here please people.

Reply 14

LongGone

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rah

the sps course did look good but it does have a very low reputation, you would be *much* better off applying for ppe

oh and come to notts, i'm doing politics here and its fab!

I'm going to Nottingham for Politics. Probably. :biggrin:

Reply 15

LongGone

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MurphysMoment.

Also to all Politics students; my teacher said to me I was lucky I wasn't doing just Politics because it isn't very highly regarded by employers; unless you get a first.

Why not?

Reply 16

J.S.

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MurphysMoment.

That is utter bollocks; a recent survey of Birmingham showed that it was one of the best Political Science departments in the UK, I went to an open day there and the department looked amazing, get your facts straight before you march blindly into an insult.

Also acording to your logic BossLady every University is an oxbridge reject place.

Manchester is also very good for Politics by the way.

Oh and I forgot

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/displayPopup/0,,13442,00.html

Check where Birmingham is.

Idiot.

Also to all Politics students; my teacher said to me I was lucky I wasn't doing just Politics because it isn't very highly regarded by employers; unless you get a first.

B'ham really isn't that good. Boss lady is absolutely right, B'ham is basically one of those universities where absolutely nobody is EVER rejected. I mean, in order to be rejected, you have to be reaaaaal bad.

Also, your teacher doesn't know what s/he is talking about. Then again, maybe their referring to Politics at Birmingham!

Reply 17

MurphysMoment.

J.S.

B'ham really isn't that good. Boss lady is absolutely right, B'ham is basically one of those universities where absolutely nobody is EVER rejected. I mean, in order to be rejected, you have to be reaaaaal bad.

Also, your teacher doesn't know what s/he is talking about. Then again, maybe their referring to Politics at Birmingham!

Firstly I know of quite a few good people who got rejected from Birmingham; if it isn't that good why is it part of the Russel group?

Prove that Birmingham isn't that good! Due to stupid targets by the government most below average people are accepted into University, yet the Universities can reject them because they failed to make the grades; and if they don't well these people will end up dropping out anyway.

Did you even read in that survey where Birmingham was (especially for Politics)?

Also this teacher; I think you may find does know what he knows a damn site more than you do seeing as he is the course director for Modern History and Politics at Manchester, you really think your knowledge on the subject is greater than his? I doubt it somehow. Also considering the facts that the standard of a degree has devalued over the past 10 years and a graduate can no longer just walk into a job; and that over these years only the standard of first class degrees has stayed pure.

I got this off the Birmingham website too;

Career Opportunities
Employers are well aware of the value of our politics degree. Our students have little difficulty in finding interesting jobs in a variety of fields, some in local government and the Civil Service, others in commerce, finance and the law. There are also opportunities in specialist journalism and the media.

I could go on and make several points to BossLady but I have to get up early tomorrow to go back to Manchester.

Reply 18

onearmedscissor

On another note I don't generally like BossLadys post, he/she tends to be extremely defensive/biased when a post attacks one of the Universities he/she has applied for.

I mean, for fucks sake mate at the end of the day it's a University, somewhere you go for a few years to work/get drunk/earn a degree/learn to fend for yourself. It's quite sad that you care so much about randoms launching petty verbal attacks about your University. You're not special you know... there's roughly 20,000 people including the majority of us here venturing down the same path as you.

What do you care if x goes here and y goes there?

Sigh in real life!

Reply 19

J.S.

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MurphysMoment.

Firstly I know of quite a few good people who got rejected from Birmingham; if it isn't that good why is it part of the Russel group?

Prove that Birmingham isn't that good! Due to stupid targets by the government most people are accepted into University.

Did you even read in that survey where Birmingham was (especially for Politics)?

Also this teacher; I think you may find does know what he knows a damn site more than you do seeing as he is the course director for Modern History and Politics at Manchester also considering the facts that a degree has devalued over the past 10 years and a graduate can no longer just walk into a job; and that over these years only the standard of first class degrees has stayed pure.

The Russell group is just self selected, they have some real cowboy institutions within that list of 18/20 odd (shan't name them!).

Seriously, NOBODY serious is rejected from Bham, I know very weak candidates who've been given offers. If Bham was as fantastic as that report makes out, then why are its a/v A level grades so low? Bosslady was right, the university (aside from the possible exception of its law dept. and a handful of others) isn't really good enough to attract serious Oxbridge rejects. So many of the people I know at Bham are rejected from Warwick, LSE, Notts, Bristol, , UCL, Edinburgh and the like. All of those universities have higher a/v A level grades than Bham....go and consult your report, maybe it can explain why this is the case.

Your course director friend, maybe he was referring to Manchester Politics, in which case he'd probably be right about lack of employability :smile:

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