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RAF v Fleet Air Arm
Hello
I was wondering what the differences were between being a pilot in the RAF and Fleet Air Arm? (Apart one operates off ships!)
Does anyone know?
I was wondering what the differences were between being a pilot in the RAF and Fleet Air Arm? (Apart one operates off ships!)
Does anyone know?
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Officerwannabe
Hello
I was wondering what the differences were between being a pilot in the RAF and Fleet Air Arm? (Apart one operates off ships!)
Does anyone know?
I was wondering what the differences were between being a pilot in the RAF and Fleet Air Arm? (Apart one operates off ships!)
Does anyone know?
Well in one your an RAF officer and in the other you are a Roayl Naval officer!
And yeah you can end up flying off a ship in the RAF
Mark
Yeah.. Big orgy.
The RN uniform, does look better IMO. Chicks love it.
RN Pilots are more focused on RW, they don't have ME, and at the minute there are very few numbers which will be going for FJ training, as they have to wait for the Hawk T128, and then they will fly the JSF.
Compared to the ME, RW and many FJ pilots that serve in the RAF.
The RN have a lot more SAR than the RAF, if that interests you. And you can fly a nicer SK to do it in.
Mark.
The RN uniform, does look better IMO. Chicks love it.
RN Pilots are more focused on RW, they don't have ME, and at the minute there are very few numbers which will be going for FJ training, as they have to wait for the Hawk T128, and then they will fly the JSF.
Compared to the ME, RW and many FJ pilots that serve in the RAF.
The RN have a lot more SAR than the RAF, if that interests you. And you can fly a nicer SK to do it in.
Mark.
The Navy likes its Pilots to be Officers first and Pilots second, it is a very very demanding job. Now the RAF even though it is just as demanding, isn't so stringent about Pilots being Officers first infact they like you to take your position as a Pilot just as seriously as being a leader. The training for Navy fast jet pilots and RAF fast jet pilots is almost identical, in that you fly the same aircraft over the same time period, and most of your training is merged with the other service (Navy trains with the RAF mostly from the RAF's training facilities). I expect the same is true with rotary wing pilot trainees. Ultimately if it is the Navy you prefer then go be a pilot in the Navy, if you are straight and you want the opportunity to fly pretty aircraft in a better uniform and not be stuck on a rocking tin tub on an ocean then join the RAF. The RAF is the Royal Air Force, key words - Air Force, but it is entirely up to the individual.
P.S. I am just joking about the Navy, you don't actually get put on the Ocean in a rocking tin tub, you get put on an Aircraft carrier.
P.S. I am just joking about the Navy, you don't actually get put on the Ocean in a rocking tin tub, you get put on an Aircraft carrier.
Ha ha, you're funny, but if you haven't got anything constructive to say then go away.
Only the people who need to know what Mark was saying will understand what he means, in the Armed Forces there is a rediculously large amount of abbreviations, so it's good to use them when you talk about the services. I think it's called service writing?
Only the people who need to know what Mark was saying will understand what he means, in the Armed Forces there is a rediculously large amount of abbreviations, so it's good to use them when you talk about the services. I think it's called service writing?
djmarkmclachlan
No it doesn't and no they don't. It's a double-breasted black suit with some silly gold bits; at least the RAF uniform looks like a military uniform! As far as flying kit goes, the RN lost all credibility when bringing in that daft "Royal Navy" badge last year.
djmarkmclachlan
Errr... there're still the same numbers there ever were going through FJ training! There used to be about 1 or 2 per BFJT course feeding in to 1 or maybe 2 per AFT course, and that's still the case now. They're not waiting for Hawk 128 (128 is a series number; it won't be called "T128," because it's not an RAF designation), they're just filtering through at the same rate as before into RAF and RN GR7/9 squadrons. The RN needs to keep a pool of capable single seat hoverers so that it can populate JSF squadrons in 10 years or so.
The only change to RN FJ training is that they now go to 20(R) Sqn rather than 899NAS and then on to a squadron flying GR7/9s, which might be either RAF or RN.
Regards SAR, a higher proportion of RAF RW pilots than RN RW pilots end up on it, so it's not worth pointing out.
Reasons for joining the FAA are as follows:
1. You want to be a Naval officer, not an RAF officer.
2. You want to go to sea.
3. You're desperate, desperate to be a rotary pilot and are scared the RAF may put you into the FJ or ME roles.
If you want to be a pilot, it still makes more sense to join the service with "Air" in its title.
From Wzz
The uniform is your opinion, and you can't speak of the rest of the population. Try to lighten up a little, I know what kind of uniform it is, don't need it to pointed out to me. The RAF uniform looks like miltary, but the RN doesnt? What? I'm quite sure last time I seen a naval pilot, he did very much look like an Officer of the military. Lol, the Royal Navy emblems were funny, if nothing else.
I know there are still pilots going through FJ training, what I was saying is how the RN is now promoting that the pilots will be training for the JSF, not the Harrier. Therefor, the numbers will be increased, I didn't say that there was no pilots going through the ranks just now.
Well, its called the T128 for now.
Yeah, I know what you're saying, and I didn't say otherwise, obviously they need people who can fly the harrier for now, so when it comes to the F-35 they can go train on that. With the serving harrier pilots who retire, not affecting the numbers of people who can go fly the JCA.
I didn't say of numbers for SAR, but someone who really wants to do SAR, might end up on ME. That was my point. And with the RN they might well end up on FJ. However a serving RW pilot in the RN or RAF, has more chance of changing to SAR than a FJ or ME. Not that Im saying it can't be done, incase thats the next reply. But it is more likely for someone who has flown RW to be moved onto another RW aircraft/ role.
They would be good reasons for joining the RN rather than the RAF, however the last comment contradicts them.
Mark.
I know there are still pilots going through FJ training, what I was saying is how the RN is now promoting that the pilots will be training for the JSF, not the Harrier. Therefor, the numbers will be increased, I didn't say that there was no pilots going through the ranks just now.
Well, its called the T128 for now.
Yeah, I know what you're saying, and I didn't say otherwise, obviously they need people who can fly the harrier for now, so when it comes to the F-35 they can go train on that. With the serving harrier pilots who retire, not affecting the numbers of people who can go fly the JCA.
I didn't say of numbers for SAR, but someone who really wants to do SAR, might end up on ME. That was my point. And with the RN they might well end up on FJ. However a serving RW pilot in the RN or RAF, has more chance of changing to SAR than a FJ or ME. Not that Im saying it can't be done, incase thats the next reply. But it is more likely for someone who has flown RW to be moved onto another RW aircraft/ role.
They would be good reasons for joining the RN rather than the RAF, however the last comment contradicts them.
Mark.
It's not the T128.
It's the Hawk 128 (the new one) or Hawk Tmk1 for the old school hawk. If you wish to have it clarified....RAF Equipment
The RN are gagging for pilots and the amount going FJ hasn't changed, it has always been very competitive with one or two Navy FJ place per EFT course. And they have to be good because they need single seat recommend throughout.
If anything, the RAF have less and less FJ places, with another post Linton re-stream happening. So you need to be the bees knees to get FJ!
It's the Hawk 128 (the new one) or Hawk Tmk1 for the old school hawk. If you wish to have it clarified....RAF Equipment
The RN are gagging for pilots and the amount going FJ hasn't changed, it has always been very competitive with one or two Navy FJ place per EFT course. And they have to be good because they need single seat recommend throughout.
If anything, the RAF have less and less FJ places, with another post Linton re-stream happening. So you need to be the bees knees to get FJ!
To make this simple:
RAF - Royal Air Force - can be streamed to Fast-Jet, Multi-Engine or Rotary-Wing aircraft after EFT. IMO (In My Opinion, just for you StaVix
) RAF uniform is nicer, you stay on terra firma unless when flying or just visiting. I have a lot more to say but i'll leave it simple.
Royal Navy - can be streamed to Fast-Jet or Rotary-Wing aircraft after EFT, just as hard to get in as it is RAF, why would they drop the standards to fly in HM's armed forces just for poofters? Ha ha, couldn't resist. Uniform is alright but not as great as RAF.
Wzz was correct in saying that if you want to be an officer in the Royal Navy then that is what you should go for. Otherwise, if you are only interested in being a pilot then the Royal Air Force is the place to start.
I'm sure some people only ask this question because they want an easier way to becoming a pilot. Which of course the Navy is not, it is equally difficult and demanding.
RAF - Royal Air Force - can be streamed to Fast-Jet, Multi-Engine or Rotary-Wing aircraft after EFT. IMO (In My Opinion, just for you StaVix
) RAF uniform is nicer, you stay on terra firma unless when flying or just visiting. I have a lot more to say but i'll leave it simple.Royal Navy - can be streamed to Fast-Jet or Rotary-Wing aircraft after EFT, just as hard to get in as it is RAF, why would they drop the standards to fly in HM's armed forces just for poofters? Ha ha, couldn't resist. Uniform is alright but not as great as RAF.
Wzz was correct in saying that if you want to be an officer in the Royal Navy then that is what you should go for. Otherwise, if you are only interested in being a pilot then the Royal Air Force is the place to start.
I'm sure some people only ask this question because they want an easier way to becoming a pilot. Which of course the Navy is not, it is equally difficult and demanding.
djmarkmclachlan
The uniform is your opinion, and you can't speak of the rest of the population. Try to lighten up a little, I know what kind of uniform it is, don't need it to pointed out to me. The RAF uniform looks like miltary, but the RN doesnt? What?
No, it looks like a customs officer's uniform. Or maybe an airline pilot. Something like that
djmarkmclachlan
Lol, the Royal Navy emblems were funny, if nothing else.
They're a bit pathetic. Why the ensigns, RN rank, RN squadron identifiers, SHAR badges, naval wings etc. weren't enough I don't know.
djmarkmclachlan
the RN is now promoting that the pilots will be training for the JSF, not the Harrier. Therefor, the numbers will be increased, I didn't say that there was no pilots going through the ranks just now.
That's not remotely true. RN FJ guys going through training now will be training for the GR7/9. They might well end up on JSF one day, but saying "they're training now for JSF!" is useless propaganda.
JSF arrives with us in 2012, if it's not delayed. Given the same case white through to operational time as Typhoon, it's likely to be 2014-2015 before we open up an OCU course for people other than FIs. It doesn't take 9 years to train a Naval FJ mate; anyone joining now can expect about 2 full tours on the GR7/9 before he sniffs a JSF.
djmarkmclachlan
Well, its called the T128 for now.
128 is the series number issed by BAe. The T1 didn't have a series as it was the first, but subsequent Hawks fitted into the 100 and 200 series with different identifiers depending on their exact fit. The Canadian Hawk 100 is the 115 variant, while ours is the 128. The Australians and South Africans have the 127 and 129, and the Indians are buying (memory test... err..) the 132, I think. The 200 series ones include the Hawk Mk60 and the suchlike, a single-seat variant with radar sold as an air defence fighter to places like Oman.
128, therefore, is an internal designator used by BAe to show where the aircraft fits within them. We might well call it the T2 as mentioned, but there's no "T128."
djmarkmclachlan
Yeah, I know what you're saying, and I didn't say otherwise, obviously they need people who can fly the harrier for now, so when it comes to the F-35 they can go train on that. With the serving harrier pilots who retire, not affecting the numbers of people who can go fly the JCA.
Sorry, don't know what you mean. Are you implying that serving Harrier mates won't go on to JSF?
djmarkmclachlan
I didn't say of numbers for SAR, but someone who really wants to do SAR, might end up on ME. That was my point. *snip!*
A moot point, as it's not the sort of thing people should be doing anyway. Anyone who joins only wanting to fly one specific type is simply gunning for disappointment! There's just as much chance in today's RAF of you going rotary as there is in the Navy, so your point about moving RW fleets is valid.
If you're desperate to be a SAR pilot, then my advice would be to look at the other flying jobs before joining. If you really want SAR or nothing, join the coastguard!
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InaSpin
The RN are gagging for pilots and the amount going FJ hasn't changed, it has always been very competitive with one or two Navy FJ place per EFT course. And they have to be good because they need single seat recommend throughout.
Err.. presumably you mean one or two Navy guys per BFJT course? You're right about the single seat comment though. It's an odd person who assumes from the end of a short EFT course that they'll be good enough for the Harrier. Nowadays, half the Navy guys getting to the front line have done a rotary tour first before going through the RN pre-AFT Hawk courses at Yeovilton. There're loads of ab-initio RN guys getting chopped.
InaSpin
If anything, the RAF have less and less FJ places, with another post Linton re-stream happening. So you need to be the bees knees to get FJ!
Not quite right. We don't really have any less FJ slots, we just have a silly attitude to half our training system. The Linton entry standard hasn't changed; to be in with a shout of it, you still need to be getting something like 6/7 out of 9 on average on your streaming board from each member. The last round of restreaming worked well; the guys who were restreamed were the ones who were likely to struggle on the Hawk, and as a result the chop rate on 208 fell to zero, and on 19 it fell to its lowest for ages.
Fair enough, some people may have "blossomed" on the Hawk, but for every one who did you had to waste time, effort and cash training 10 who wouldn't. So "pre-chopping" people who couldn't do too well on the Tucano course is the perfect way to identify those with a good bit of single-seat potential.
It's not the days of 60 IPS anymore, but those who were good enough are still going to Valley. Those who probably weren't aren't getting the chance to try anymore, but that's life.
As far as I can see, all a RN uniform would do would make you somewhat... attractive to the same sex 
RAF blue's a much better colour than white anyway
RAF blue's a much better colour than white anyway
mankyscot2,
Lol, at the running gag of the RN being gay, F You!
lol.
Flying in the Army is just as demanding too Cal, in some situations, more demanding. Different roles. And I think you are right in saying that people presume that flying for the Navy is easier than the RAF, but as you said, this is not the case.
GR4pilot,
Yea, because they assess your aptitude at a later point, at DHFS if I remember right.
It aint in service yet, so it is called the 128 for now, which is why I have called it that. If they call it Hawk T33, I'll call it that, if and when it is confirmed.
Wzz,
This one won't be resolved, it is purely your opinion, and ofcourse you're gonna be biased to the RAF. I like the RN Officer uniform, as I like the RAF uniform. The Crabs uniform is just disgusting though. And as for my saying 'Chicks love it' that is true, as I have found out from asking. Example: A night out with my step-bro.. (serving in the RAF) -this while I was in the RN- group of girls.. 'Excuse me, girls.. wondering if you could help sort out an argument' 'Sure..' 'Which uniform is nicer: the RAF, or the RN?' Everyone of them said the Navy. Another example: I met my old school teacher (who is well hot). 'What you doing with yourself?', 'I'm in the navy' 'Ooooh' *wink*. Chicks do like the RN uniform, thats why they use them so often in porno's, aint it? 
.
I can only imagine they are for the RN guys walking around RAF establishments, to be noticed straight off, although, the gold rings are very noticeable, would have thought they would have been enough. They are funny though.
I know they will be training on the Harrier, thats what I said; when the serving Harrier pilots, get old and retire, they will need freshies to take their place. What I said is that the RN is promoting that their pilots are looking to be flying the JCA, so they are looking towards the future, and promoting that those who are selected for FJ will go onto the JCA sometime in the future. Seing as thats the only FW AC they will have. I know the people who get in just now will go to Harrier, but then it will be the JCA afterwards, in a few years time. I didn't say they will be training for the F-35 just now, but in the future.
And again, as I said above, we don't know what they wil lcall it yet, when they decide it's called the T2, then I will call it the T2, but for now, we have a series number, so we should call it by its series number, as not to cause confusion.
No, I have already mentioned the same thing in this, I was saying the serving Harrier pilots will go onto the JCA, as BH thought I said -as far as I can make out- that the RN were not training Harrier pilots, but just waiting for RN folks to be trained up for the F-35.
I agree, but its just as easy to say about those who are dead-set on FJ. They are the same, I am sure there are some who really want to go onto SAR. I don't know how you can say there is just as much chance of going RW in the RAF as there is in the RN, seing as the RN only have a select few going for FJ, the rest are RW, and the RAF having a lot more AC, you are more likely to get something you don't want in the RAF than the RN (if you want RW that is).
Officerwannabe,
I'm afraid you've been taken in by the media. Until 2000, the RN wouldn't actually allow gay people to join, and anyone found to be gay would be thrown out.
JayD,
Almost right, what you are talking of is white 1's. As for White shirts; 3's as they are known as now, 5's as they used to be, are worn almost daily. Unless you're doing a dirty job that day.
Mark.
Lol, at the running gag of the RN being gay, F You!
lol.Flying in the Army is just as demanding too Cal, in some situations, more demanding. Different roles. And I think you are right in saying that people presume that flying for the Navy is easier than the RAF, but as you said, this is not the case.
GR4pilot,
Yea, because they assess your aptitude at a later point, at DHFS if I remember right.
It aint in service yet, so it is called the 128 for now, which is why I have called it that. If they call it Hawk T33, I'll call it that, if and when it is confirmed.
Wzz,
This one won't be resolved, it is purely your opinion, and ofcourse you're gonna be biased to the RAF
. I like the RN Officer uniform, as I like the RAF uniform. The Crabs uniform is just disgusting though. And as for my saying 'Chicks love it' that is true, as I have found out from asking. Example: A night out with my step-bro.. (serving in the RAF) -this while I was in the RN- group of girls.. 'Excuse me, girls.. wondering if you could help sort out an argument' 'Sure..' 'Which uniform is nicer: the RAF, or the RN?' Everyone of them said the Navy. Another example: I met my old school teacher (who is well hot). 'What you doing with yourself?', 'I'm in the navy' 'Ooooh' *wink*. Chicks do like the RN uniform, thats why they use them so often in porno's, aint it? .I can only imagine they are for the RN guys walking around RAF establishments, to be noticed straight off, although, the gold rings are very noticeable, would have thought they would have been enough. They are funny though.
I know they will be training on the Harrier, thats what I said; when the serving Harrier pilots, get old and retire, they will need freshies to take their place. What I said is that the RN is promoting that their pilots are looking to be flying the JCA, so they are looking towards the future, and promoting that those who are selected for FJ will go onto the JCA sometime in the future. Seing as thats the only FW AC they will have. I know the people who get in just now will go to Harrier, but then it will be the JCA afterwards, in a few years time. I didn't say they will be training for the F-35 just now, but in the future.
And again, as I said above, we don't know what they wil lcall it yet, when they decide it's called the T2, then I will call it the T2, but for now, we have a series number, so we should call it by its series number, as not to cause confusion.
No, I have already mentioned the same thing in this, I was saying the serving Harrier pilots will go onto the JCA, as BH thought I said -as far as I can make out- that the RN were not training Harrier pilots, but just waiting for RN folks to be trained up for the F-35.
I agree, but its just as easy to say about those who are dead-set on FJ. They are the same, I am sure there are some who really want to go onto SAR. I don't know how you can say there is just as much chance of going RW in the RAF as there is in the RN, seing as the RN only have a select few going for FJ, the rest are RW, and the RAF having a lot more AC, you are more likely to get something you don't want in the RAF than the RN (if you want RW that is).
Officerwannabe,
I'm afraid you've been taken in by the media. Until 2000, the RN wouldn't actually allow gay people to join, and anyone found to be gay would be thrown out.
JayD,
Almost right, what you are talking of is white 1's. As for White shirts; 3's as they are known as now, 5's as they used to be, are worn almost daily. Unless you're doing a dirty job that day.
Mark.
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