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And, have you ever wonder if Iraqi people want Democracy?
Shouldn't a country has the right to choose its government?
Democracy - A country in which the population chooses its own government. I must say It makes me wonder why you are arguing in a political debate when you are not aware of what a democracy is...
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Democracy - A country in which the population chooses its own government. I must say It makes me wonder why you are arguing in a political debate when you are not aware of what a democracy is...
Democracy is a type of government in wich the people (demos) rule(krato).

I don't think that Iraqi people want a democracy.

And when I say government I imply the form of it.
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Democracy is a type of government in wich the people (demos) rule(krato).
democracy by representation is the only feasible option.the athenians had mechanisms, buildings and places of council that were adequate to hold the opinion of every eligible state citizen. 21st century nation states clearly do not.
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I don't think that Iraqi people want a democracy.

And when I say government I imply the form of it.
how can they not want something that most have no experience of...
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democracy by representation is the only feasible option.the athenians had mechanisms, buildings and places of council that were adequate to hold the opinion of every eligible state citizen. 21st century nation states clearly do not.

how can they not want something that most have no experience of...
Athens is a city... nation states are so much bigger and is so much harder to build all that infrastructure.


Knowledge... do you have experience in sex change? Do you want it?
Simple logic, don't ask questions that are so stupid, please.
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Oh, thanks you could be on stage too, you are a funny clown.
hmm you must have weird theatre in spain.
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hmm you must have weird theatre in spain.
vienna, did you watch the state of the union last night? if so,,,what did you think?
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how can they not want something that most have no experience of...

Knowledge... do you have experience in sex change? Do you want it?
Simple logic, don't ask questions that are so stupid, please.
i know what a sex change would entail. i doubt many Iraqis see democracy as anything more than Western values to be opposed.
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hmm you must have weird theatre in spain.
I don't know, I have never been in an Spanish theatre.
But the word clown denotes stupidity in my country.
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i know what a sex change would entail. i doubt many Iraqis see democracy as anything more than Western values to be opposed.
So? You aren't saying that they want democracy...
I didn't say that democracy is worse or better than any other government type.

I said that nobody has the right to invade a sovereign country and establish another kind of government.
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vienna, did you watch the state of the union last night? if so,,,what did you think?
good. i thought he reiterated the terrorism and Iraqi coalition points well and then there was his warning about taxes not becoming permanent.
in general he was not short of things to be positive about. i think he mentioned his planned support for marriage programmes which he will get support for and i think almost everyone agrees with.
one bit i got to see on tv was a negligible handful of liberals clapping his warning that the key provisions of the patriot act would come to end and needed to be reiterated. his response brought louder cheers from the rest of congress. sound as it needed to be.

"Key provisions of the Patriot Act are set to expire next year. (weak applause.) The terrorist threat will not expire on that schedule. (Applause.) Our law enforcement needs this vital legislation to protect our citizens. You need to renew the Patriot Act. (Applause.) "
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Athens is a city... nation states are so much bigger and is so much harder to build all that infrastructure.
well done, that was my point.
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So? You aren't saying that they want democracy...
I didn't say that democracy is worse or better than any other government type.
i dont understand..

I said that nobody has the right to invade a sovereign country and establish another kind of government.
no. thats why the coalition has setup a provisional body to make sure that the Iraqi people elect their representatives.
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well done, that was my point.
So?....

My point was that nobody has the right to invade another country or change their government.
I never argued against Democracy...
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So?....

My point was that nobody has the right to invade another country or change their government.
I never argued against Democracy...
no, ur point was regarding the practical application of democracy. as jonatan stressed, it is more than likely to by representation. only a handful of states have legislation by the people.
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only a handful of states have legislation by the people.
Switzerland. Err........?
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no, ur point was regarding the practical application of democracy. as jonatan stressed, it is more than likely to by representation. only a handful of states have legislation by the people.
I can't believe it, that's really stupid ...

Come on, I'm not talking about democracy!!!!!!!

I'm talking of the free right to be. Nobody has the right to invade another country.

That's what I'm saying!!
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Switzerland. Err........?
san marino and the cantons in switzerland.
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san marino and the cantons in switzerland.
Yes, and San Marino is the smallest state of the world.
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I can't believe it, that's really stupid ...

Come on, I'm not talking about democracy!!!!!!!

I'm talking of the free right to be. Nobody has the right to invade another country.

That's what I'm saying!!
so why are u talking about democracy and a future Iraqi government?
the point surely was that as the temporary authority in Iraq, it is upto the coalition and the provisional council to establish a viable and permanent form of governance in Iraq. that is a right of the Iraqi people.
and they will be offered the best form of governance known to man, democracy.
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san marino and the cantons in switzerland.
Gah, so the 'only direct democracy in the world' is a lie then.
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