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    Ed Miliband has called on Labour activists to "take that term 'big society' back" from the Conservatives to become the "people's party" again.

    Launching a major policy review, he said Labour must reconnect with public aspirations after "losing its way".

    He urged it to move beyond New Labour, admitting it "got some things wrong".

    But despite "arrogant" coalition cuts, the Labour leader warned that waiting for the government to "screw up" would not get his party back in power.

    In a final rallying call, he added: "Join us on this journey which makes us once again the people's party, the party of people's hopes and aspirations, back on people's side, back in power making for the fairer, the more equal, the more just country we believe in."


    The last paragraph goes down a progressive and more socialist root then the previous govt. Everyone can see this would be beneficial for those who have been hit hardest. The greater the liberty of people, happiness would prosper.
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    More bones thrown to the left while Labour continues as the authoritarian capitalist joke that we all know and love.
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    tbh it wasnt inspirational. Ed isn't really a radical, and I think that is what Labour needs at the moment. I might be biased though as I am currently reading a lot of Ralph Miliband's stuff...
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    By "people" does he mean breeders, work-shy freeloaders and the rest of the lowest common denominators in society?
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    Socialist governments need lots of money to fulfill the promises that they make. They expand government massively and tend to spend through money like water. Considering the state of the countries finances a massive spending campaign that Labour will want to embark on will likely backfire massively with voters as well as it not being even slightly pratical.
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    (Original post by Low Profile)
    The last paragraph goes down a progressive and more socialist root then the previous govt. Everyone can see this would be beneficial for those who have been hit hardest. The greater the liberty of people, happiness would prosper.
    Labour messed up for 13 years. What makes people want to vote for this hideous party again?



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    "I believe it's already clear that the Labour government has lost its mandate to govern our country. The Conservative party is on target to win more seats at this election than we have done at any election in perhaps as long as 80 years. What's clear from these results is that the country, our country, wants change. That change is going to require new leadership and we will stand ready to do all we can to help bring that leadership."
    From Our Glorious Leader- Call me Dave.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Socialist governments need lots of money to fulfill the promises that they make. They expand government massively and tend to spend through money like water. Considering the state of the countries finances a massive spending campaign that Labour will want to embark on will likely backfire massively with voters as well as it not being even slightly pratical.
    Money would be dispersed much more equally in comparison to any right wing government who de-value the worth of the common person.
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    Labour messed up for 13 years. What makes people want to vote for this hideous party again?



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    "I believe it's already clear that the Labour government has lost its mandate to govern our country. The Conservative party is on target to win more seats at this election than we have done at any election in perhaps as long as 80 years. What's clear from these results is that the country, our country, wants change. That change is going to require new leadership and we will stand ready to do all we can to help bring that leadership."
    From Our Glorious Leader- Call me Dave.
    people voted for the tories after they messed up for 18 years, so you know the tories are these white knight alot of today issues are caused by them
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    Labour messed up for 13 years. What makes people want to vote for this hideous party again?
    People should vote on the principles which are proposed to carry the country further in terms of Labour; if taken more to the left it would ensure that the common person is not left on the streets by bailed-out banks and corporations.
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    (Original post by Low Profile)
    Money would be dispersed much more equally in comparison to any right wing government who de-value the worth of the common person.

    Care to actually talk about polities objectively will all your reply's be drenched in ideological stereotypes?

    Anyway as my post said the money is simply not there for the things Labour would want to do. Hence the cuts. Whether you agree with the specifics of the cuts or not you must admit some must be done.
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    (Original post by Low Profile)
    People should vote on the principles which are proposed to carry the country further in terms of Labour; if taken more to the left it would ensure that the common person is not left on the streets by bailed-out banks and corporations.
    You realise if we did not bail out the banks far more people would be on the streets?
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    Labour messed up for 13 years. What makes people want to vote for this hideous party again?
    No we didn't. The 13 years under Labour were a MASSIVE success, especially when you compare it to the years of Tory shambles governance that preceded it. Labour got the economy back on track, improved schools, improved hospitals (the NHS was heading for the abyss under the Tories), improved civil rights (ended homophobic Tory legislation, etc), brought in the minimum wage, opened up our national museums to everyone by making them free, banned fox hunting, brought in civil partnerships and countless other brilliant things.

    We are all better off thanks to Labour.
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    Labour messed up for 13 years. What makes people want to vote for this hideous party again?



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    "I believe it's already clear that the Labour government has lost its mandate to govern our country. The Conservative party is on target to win more seats at this election than we have done at any election in perhaps as long as 80 years. What's clear from these results is that the country, our country, wants change. That change is going to require new leadership and we will stand ready to do all we can to help bring that leadership."
    From Our Glorious Leader- Call me Dave.
    No. That's exactly the closed minding thinking that doesn't help anyone. Rephrase that question, where were the Conservatives for 13 years if Labour messed up so bad. You should check Labours credentials since your blinded by tough decisions during the recession. Labour has to be strong if you want the Conservatives to do their job, even so it took a coalition to bring Labour down.

    Correct me if I'm wrong but one reason to vote for Labour would be to avoid the proposed university fee hike.
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    (Original post by Low Profile)
    People should vote on the principles which are proposed to carry the country further in terms of Labour; if taken more to the left it would ensure that the common person is not left on the streets by bailed-out banks and corporations.
    You show yours and the general Lefts misunderstanding of the recession beautifully. We are going to or already have broken even on all the money we had to bail the banks out with. The problem we are in now is that the banking sector has shrunk, and that was the main tax base for Labour used to implement its policies. The 'common person' or should I say the lower classes, need the banks to be big and powerful so they can ride their coat tails to a life far better than they ever had before or could earn. Labour went so far left it had managed to tax everyone to the hilt in the good times and just break even, so when the bad times came we had nothing left and no one left to raise tax on.
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    (Original post by Caspa)
    people voted for the tories after they messed up for 18 years, so you know the tories are these white knight alot of today issues are caused by them

    Under the Labour party, their so called successes (failures in the real world) -

    - Bloated Public Sector
    - More middle managers for the NHS
    - A Jeremy Kyle culture- scroungers
    - University tuition fees etc...
    - Racism on the increase
    - Poverty increase
    - Selling Gold reserves at rock bottom prices
    - Millennium Dome Project, did it fail?
    - Olympics (I support it, why is it in London) I thought London centric UK was over
    - Bullying of the BBC ( they destroyed parts of the Beeb )
    - Education Education Education, 50% target (they even had qualification is clip board management)
    - Failure to tackle MP's expenses
    - Failure to implement a tax on banks (the coalition did that and got £2 Bn)
    - Big Brother society
    - ID Cards
    - Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan (petrol prices are still on the increase)
    - Bending over for Bush (UK sovereignty has to be questioned there)

    There is more, more, more, more failures.

    Like any Labour party supporter, you blame the Conservatives, for Labour's mistakes. How does that work out?


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    You show yours and the general Lefts misunderstanding of the recession beautifully. We are going to or already have broken even on all the money we had to bail the banks out with. The problem we are in now is that the banking sector has shrunk, and that was the main tax base for Labour used to implement its policies. The 'common person' or should I say the lower classes, need the banks to be big and powerful so they can ride their coat tails to a life far better than they ever had before or could earn. Labour went so far left it had managed to tax everyone to the hilt in the good times and just break even, so when the bad times came we had nothing left and no one left to raise tax on.
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    (Original post by The_Male_Melons)
    Under the Labour party, their so called successes (failures in the real world) -

    - Bloated Public Sector
    - More middle managers for the NHS
    - A Jeremy Kyle culture- scroungers
    - University tuition fees etc...
    - Racism on the increase
    - Poverty increase
    - Selling Gold reserves at rock bottom prices
    - Millennium Dome Project, did it fail?
    - Olympics (I support it, why is it in London) I thought London centric UK was over
    - Bullying of the BBC ( they destroyed parts of the Beeb )
    - Education Education Education, 50% target (they even had qualification is clip board management)
    - Failure to tackle MP's expenses
    - Failure to implement a tax on banks (the coalition did that)
    - Big Brother society
    - ID Cards
    - Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan (petrol prices are still on the increase)
    - Bending over for Bush (UK sovereignty has to be questioned there)

    There is more, more, more, more failures.

    Like any Labour party supporter, you blame the Conservatives, for Labour's mistakes. How does that work out?
    the public sector lets start on that, every government since the 70s has been bloating that, so its a tory and labour party issue

    the NHS under the last tory was bad, 18 month waiting list, very under funded

    A Jeremy Kyle culture- scroungers
    sounds like the normal daily mail sun newspaper stuff

    fee depends where you stand on them, student should pay something toward their uni education

    Racism on the increase
    again sounds like daily mail sun newspaper, if you think we have a racism issue god knows what you think of the 70s and 80s, 1981 Brixton riot

    Poverty increase, that not true, its been going down still not great

    Selling Gold reserves at rock bottom prices, he was damn if he and damn if he didn't, i take you don't care that Thatcher sold off the country at a rock bottom price, the trains, gas and all that sold off cheap

    Millennium Dome Project, did it fail?
    seems to still be there, not something you can really blame a government on

    Olympics, well you pick a city not a country, london has more too offer

    education still needs reform, better than it was in the 80s

    again MP's expenses is not a government issue is a house issue, all sides where as bad as each other

    yay lets tax the bank, shocking really for a free market loving party to place a tax on the banks

    ID cards it never happen, everyone carrys ID anyway like a driving licence

    the war was both right and wrong, it is right ot get rid of the worlds most evil people, and "free" people



    we could also look at debt which was higher under the last tory government, it was only till 2008 did it really got up because of the bail out, something the tories where against, around 2007 the tory party was calling for less banking regulations

    all the parties are as bad as each other, tthey liar there way into power and we fall for it, you can name countless things labour have done wrong and right, you can name countless things the tories have done wrong who not forgetting had 2 recession, one they caused
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    (Original post by jaggedspike)
    Correct me if I'm wrong but one reason to vote for Labour would be to avoid the proposed university fee hike.
    They are bringing in a grade tax which will likely leave graduates worse off in the long run.

    Edit. Whoever negged care to actually give an alternate argument?
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Care to actually talk about polities objectively will all your reply's be drenched in ideological stereotypes?

    Anyway as my post said the money is simply not there for the things Labour would want to do. Hence the cuts. Whether you agree with the specifics of the cuts or not you must admit some must be done.
    Couldn't agree more, with £1.4 trillion structual deficit the country cannot afford to indulge in ostrich like behaviour advocated by the Labour party and trade unions.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    They are bringing in a grade tax which will likely leave graduates worse off in the long run.
    Exactly, the conservative plan is far more progressive.

    If you earn over 21k, you start paying it back. You pay absolute zero until you are - yet, those who put the graft in and do well from their degree (and probably paid 9 grand for uni) will be able to pay it back more quickly.

    A flat graduate tax is not only a tax on aspiration, but a tax on success. We already have a 50% tax band - that's 50p in every single pound earned over 150k. Some of the suggested graduate tax numbers are 5% of income! Essentially, you are asking those who have worked hard and graduated with a 1st to pay for those who have not tried very hard and come out with a 3rd.
 
 
 
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