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    it would only cost £1.6bn a year to scrap tuiton fees, the same we spend per year on Trident, so why are you and the cabinet telling us its unaffordable? do you think the public are stupid?
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    it would only cost £1.6bn a year to scrap tuiton fees, the same we spend per year on Trident, so why are you and the cabinet telling us its unaffordable? do you think the public are stupid?
    1.97 million students. £3290 tuition fees currently: £6.4bn.

    That's on the current system, the proposal would create even more of a differential there.

    Your figures are so clearly wrong.
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    it would only cost £1.6bn a year to scrap tuiton fees, the same we spend per year on Trident, so why are you and the cabinet telling us its unaffordable? do you think the public are stupid?
    Not to mention that in principle, university for everybody simply doesn't work...
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    (Original post by simontinsley)
    1.97 million students. £3290 tuition fees currently: £6.4bn.

    That's on the current system, the proposal would create even more of a differential there.

    Your figures are so clearly wrong.
    still not that much though is it?

    the government could easily raise taxes to pay even that, and close the loopholes and exemptions

    my figure is from how much the government say it will bring in from the fees over the next year, its in there own figures (will look it up for you in a sec, its on the government website)
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    (Original post by Ocassus)
    Not to mention that in principle, university for everybody simply doesn't work...
    based on what, your greed and ignorance?
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    based on what, your greed and ignorance?
    Based on the fact that a University degree devalues the more people have them?
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    based on what, your greed and ignorance?
    Has it not been established that attacking libertarians for their "greed and ignorance" is not only poor argumentation but also entirely wrong?

    Everyone is "greedy" in that they act in their own subjective self-interest.
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    (Original post by Ocassus)
    Based on the fact that a University degree devalues the more people have them?
    its not about ****ing value you twit, its about education...wow, this is why capitalism fails education entirely, its about making society better by them learning and knowing more, if you think its about ****ing value then you have missed the ****ing point entirely
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    (Original post by Bax-man)
    Has it not been established that attacking libertarians for their "greed and ignorance" is not only poor argumentation but also entirely wrong?

    Everyone is "greedy" in that they act in their own subjective self-interest.
    doesnt seem wrong to me, and not everyone is greedy, urgh not this **** again.
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    The problem seems more to be the rising cost of unlimited teaching grants.
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    its not about ****ing value you twit, its about education...wow, this is why capitalism fails education entirely, its about making society better by them learning and knowing more, if you think its about ****ing value then you have missed the ****ing point entirely
    You single-handedly destroy your own argument by incorporating vulgar language and insulting me with no real point.

    Humanity is working for the good of what? eh? Explain to me why others should have their gains given to others who have not earnt them? Only the weakest in society need to be protected...
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    (Original post by Ocassus)

    Humanity is working for the good of what? eh? Explain to me why others should have their gains given to others who have not earnt them? Only the weakest in society need to be protected...
    humanity should work for the good of humanity, you clearly cant grasp even the most basic values of socialism...
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    humanity should work for the good of humanity, you clearly cant grasp even the most basic values of socialism...
    I have read marx and I have studied Socialism. I know what its values are, and I know why it fails and always will fail... People are not the same, people ultimately will put the good of society behind them for the good of themselves [Hence capitalism even arised in the first place] and there will always be some who are better than others. It is just something you are naive to ignore.

    Life is about results, produce them...
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    (Original post by Ocassus)
    I have read marx and I have studied Socialism. I know what its values are, and I know why it fails and always will fail... People are not the same, people ultimately will put the good of society behind them for the good of themselves [Hence capitalism even arised in the first place] and there will always be some who are better than others. It is just something you are naive to ignore.

    Life is about results, produce them...
    that post demonstrates your complete misunderstanding of socialism and the work of marx still further...
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    its not about ****ing value you twit, its about education...wow, this is why capitalism fails education entirely, its about making society better by them learning and knowing more, if you think its about ****ing value then you have missed the ****ing point entirely
    Do you have a basic conception of what value is and how it relates to economics (the allocation of scarce resources)?

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    doesnt seem wrong to me, and not everyone is greedy, urgh not this **** again.

    Except it's entirely untrue. And yes, everyone is greedy because everyone pursues their own subjective self-interest, rather than the interests of others. This is praxeologically true. Even the giver to charity does this - give he subjectively values the help he gives to charity more than he values what he would have otherwise done with the money, he is acting in his own self-interest in maximizing the achievement of his preferences.
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    still not that much though is it?

    the government could easily raise taxes to pay even that, and close the loopholes and exemptions

    my figure is from how much the government say it will bring in from the fees over the next year, its in there own figures (will look it up for you in a sec, its on the government website)
    In a recession with cut backs, job losses and increased prices! Yes a very popular idea :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by SciFiBoy)
    that post demonstrates your complete misunderstanding of socialism and the work of marx still further...
    Because I am not a Socialist? Herp derp?

    Marxism is about everybody contributing to the good of humanity, about everybody being 'products of their environment' and about the eventual eroding of any central government whatsoever.

    However it falls flat on its face, there will always be leaders and people who follow those leaders. There are people who will be lead and people who will lead. Hence some form of government will always exist. Marx is simply wrong about the fundamentals of human nature...
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    Not to mention increasing taxes actually reduces revenue .
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    (Original post by Ocassus)
    Not to mention increasing taxes actually reduces revenue .
    Of course, that doesn't always hold.
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    (Original post by Shuv11)
    In a recession with cut backs, job losses and increased prices! Yes a very popular idea :rolleyes:
    doing it would avoid the cuts and job losses...make the bankers and the super rich pay for there own crisis.
 
 
 
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