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  • View Poll Results: Winner of 2011 Nations
    Ireland Title
    3
    2.54%
    Ireland Grand Slam
    9
    7.63%
    England Title
    32
    27.12%
    England Grand Slam
    31
    26.27%
    Wales Title
    6
    5.08%
    Wales Grand Slam
    5
    4.24%
    Scotland Title
    8
    6.78%
    Scotland Grand Slam
    2
    1.69%
    France Title
    11
    9.32%
    France Grand Slam
    4
    3.39%
    Italy Title
    2
    1.69%
    Italy Grand Slam
    5
    4.24%

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    Based on Autumn international form.
    Heart says Wales, but head says England could take the title (but no Slam this year) IF they can win the first game in Cardiff. If not, I have a sneaking suspicion Scotland could sneak the triple crown at least.
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    It's going to be the closest 6 nations for a while. I think England will win it, because France and Ireland seem to have gone backwards a little, and Wales don't seem capable of playing well for a full 80 minutes.
    England-wise, I think the beating by South Africa was exactly what we needed to show us what we need to work on: now a grand slam will be another step forward will put England on the road for a good world cup campaign.
    Normally I take this opportunity to predict Italy to beat Scotland, but I've been impressed with the Scots this year, so Italy for the spoon it is.

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    Wonder how seriously France will take this year's tournament, as, on form, they're capable of winning the World Cup in the summer. Their heavy defeat to Australia obviously something's not working, so another tournament of experimentation/implementation for Livremont in preparation for the summer?

    Wales have had positives over Autumn. We have by far the best scrum and arguably the best set of forwards in the loose now, and we dominated Australia and bossed NZ and South Africa without much trouble. The backs are where we'll struggle - completely devoid of any creative spark.
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    I'm being optimistic, like all Scots, when I say we'll win the grandslam. Highly unlikely (although I have a feeling we'll beat a very prestigious team as the underdogs of a match) but still, COME ON!!
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    About time for a Welsh Grand Slam I'd say, England you can have the world cup. France you can be sleeping and Bowe, O Driscoll, and Sexton stop running. Gatland stop messing things up and Azurri what can you do? Scotland, be good scots for us and lose. Then you have a welsh grand slam
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    (Original post by mrt23498)
    Gatland stop messing things up
    key sentence there.

    We're a much more powerful, forward-oriented team since Gatland took over, but he's let the backs stagnate. Without creative individuals like Shane in the team, as the autumn showed, we're screwed.
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    (Original post by BlazingApostle)
    key sentence there.

    We're a much more powerful, forward-oriented team since Gatland took over, but he's let the backs stagnate. Without creative individuals like Shane in the team, as the autumn showed, we're screwed.
    It is just, I remember being very annoyed when I saw the team when they played Fiji. 9 Changes was just too much. I could understand maybe changing a few to give more experience to the less internationally trained, but it stops the momentum of coming close to SA and Australia to go onto Fiji. Then Gatland took too long in keeping those half backs in the Fiji game. I do like Ritchie Rees, but he wasn't playing good enough to play in the Fiji game.

    I can agree in general to your statement. I do like Shane and Halfpenny when they are there, though North is a pretty good player, who I would like to see more of.

    It's just everytime we go against a supposedly weaker team like Fiji or Scotland or Italy, B team comes out and too many players are rested. I understand the concepts of resting but too many players rested defeats Wales
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    I wouldnt call Scotland a weaker team any more. They've matured and improved greatly over the past few years, and a genuine title challenge is around the corner if they can get the confidence rolling with a victory in Paris. Whereas as a few years back i'd had nailed the Scotland game as a victory home or away, i'm now pretty nervous about that game and would take a victory of the smallest winning margin. Last year proved how tough Scotland can be on their day (we should never have won that game).
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    Without a shadow of a doubt, England.
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    As a Scot, i'd say we have a chance.

    We were pretty solid in defence this autumn and we're beginning to loosen off in attack. If Scotland remain relatively injury free, and play to their full potential(which we are yet to see i think) we'll do well.
    Of course the France game is my main worry, Ireland, slight worry. England, could go either way. Wales, hopefully they won't find form. Italy, beaten.
    i'd hope for 2 wins at least.
    i feel Scotland is massively underestimated tbh.
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    Wales' chances are massively reduced now we're down to our third choice wingers. Shane and North out, Tom James is dire, and Will Harries and Aled Brew failing to show their club form (which wasn't superb to begin with). Looks like Halfpenny and Fussell are in come the England game. Massive weaknesses there that England can exploit.
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    Ireland are too old in terms of players, and havn't got enough young talent in the team to compete for the title, never mind the grandslam. As ever the French are unpredictable, but it will be difficult to see them winning away from home. Wales clearly lack strength in depth, and with the current injuries already i can see them dropping to fifth. Italy as ever will struggle to compete and will target the Wales and Scotand games as the chance to get a win. Scotland may be able to pull off a fourth place, or even a third if ireland get a few injuries. and england look the most likely to win the title also with a 3 games at home, but the GS is unlikely.

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    Italy
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    England will be hurting with the loss of Lawes, Moody and Croft, but I can tell you the loss of Gethin Jenkins and Adam Jones are a hundred times worse for Wales, and i'd be incredulous if England dont have constant dominance over us in the scrums. Paul James is a class tighthead, but Craig Mitchell is a big weakness. He's a great player with a lot of potential for the future, but he has been found out a few times by top class opposition, and will struggle against the England front row. England by 7-10 points I think, as much as it pains me to say it!
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    (Original post by BlazingApostle)
    England will be hurting with the loss of Lawes, Moody and Croft, but I can tell you the loss of Gethin Jenkins and Adam Jones are a hundred times worse for Wales, and i'd be incredulous if England dont have constant dominance over us in the scrums. Paul James is a class tighthead, but Craig Mitchell is a big weakness. He's a great player with a lot of potential for the future, but he has been found out a few times by top class opposition, and will struggle against the England front row. England by 7-10 points I think, as much as it pains me to say it!
    Haha he's complete *******s and we're ****ed with him in the team, although I am happy that we're also without the **** they call Huw Bennett.

    I'd like Wales to do well but with a crap first row, crap wingers and too much competition for a centre I can see us failing miserably.
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    Can we make this the official 6N thread? We normally have a separate one so club talk can continue in the Rugby Union Society thread.

    Prediction is hard. Heart says Ireland for the Slam (obviously), but head says a France title.

    Ireland have their easy draw (France and England at home) this year, so anytime that is the case we have a shot.

    Predictions for the weekend:

    Wales 21-24 England
    Scotland 12-22 France
    Italy 12 - 17 Ireland

    One to watch = Sean O'Brien. I guarantee he'll turn some heads if Kidney picks him. Quality player.
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    (Original post by dews1290)
    Haha he's complete *******s and we're ****ed with him in the team, although I am happy that we're also without the **** they call Huw Bennett.
    There's one time i'd have agreed with you, but over the past 2 seasons, Paul James really has come on. The Ospreys front row of him, Hibbard and Adam have destroyed a number of class front rows over the past 2 seasons, Leicester and Munster for one, both of which contained a number of highly capped internationals. Whether he can cope without Adam to babysit him is another matter however, and a scenario we'll see put to the test on Friday. A bit harsh to say he's "complete *******s".
    I do agree with you about Bennett though. Couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo in terms of lineout throwing. Shocking player.
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    (Original post by dews1290)
    with...crap wingers and too much competition for a centre I can see us failing miserably.
    I disagree there too. Crap wingers? You must be kidding. Shane Williams is one of the greatest international players ever to play for Wales, and he still has the spark to create something out of nothing (watching the Ospreys week in week out I can confirm this 100%). Halfpenny is also a quality player for his age, and has scored some pretty good tries over the past few seasons at international level against teams like England and Scotland. Also, I would hardly consider 3 specialist centres in the whole squad "too much competition". Hook and Roberts will start, with Jon Davies on the bench. Simple. Also, surely too much competition is also a good thing? Players pressing for your position will make you play better. Fact.
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    I say England if they play anything like they did against the Aussies and win the game in Cardiff.

    If not, head says France as their pack can dominate anybody, if they can get the backs playing they'll be extremely dangerous. Trouble is will their 9 and 10 fire on the same day?
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    Halfpenny injured for Wales, Stoddart in. The latter is decent going forward, but his tackling is dire. And also cant kick goals like Halfpenny. The scales tip ever further in England's direction.
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    England to take the title.

    I voted Grand Slam for ****s and gigs though.
 
 
 
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