English Lit As level Angela Carter - Wise children

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laura1989
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i am currently studying Angela Carters wise children for As english lit, as it is quite new to the exam board i can not find anywhere that will provide me with notes that i could use

it would be very helpfull if anyone could give me advice on this book, or jus general chat!!
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hi. im doing wise children as well and there's a thread on the English forum about it if you want to check it out
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I am also taking English Literature for AS and I am doing the book entitled "Spies" by Michael Frayn; as it is also new to the exam board's list of books, then anyone who is also doing this book would be a great help to me, since we could chat and help each other out!
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Yeah i have already looked at that thread about Angela Carter, but i was looking for a chat about the book, with someone who has actually read it, i have only just finished it, and im beginning to read it again..
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you're in about the same position as me then. what do you think of the book? i love it and i think we're lucky in that there's loads to say about pretty much any subject the exam board can throw at us, but its going to take a lot of hard work to learn those quotes
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ive only just finished it, i thought it was a little strange to begin with but i loved it.. really enjoyed
im jus compiling notes about family/paternity, theatre, summaries,shakespear, duality etc
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hiya laura,

im studying wise children aswell an am having the same problem! happy 2 chat with u about the book i'd actually b grateful 4 a chat with sum1 who is as confused as me!

tinkerbella
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i've got to do an essay on the importance of saskia and how she is presented so any ideas?
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(Original post by alison_141288)
i've got to do an essay on the importance of saskia and how she is presented so any ideas?
- Link to King Lear - Melchior as Lear, and Saskia as Regan/Goneril - kicks him out, spurns him.
- Macbeth - witch (even dresses up as a witch in the play)
- Opposite of Dora - rivals - Dora is kind, friendly, low-class etc. :wtf?:, while Saskia is evil, ungrateful, upper-class, spurns Perry (kills the caterpillar), etc.
- Also total opposite of Dora - Dora is spurned by Melchior, while Saskia and Imogen are valued. Yet ironically Saskia and Imogen are also illegitimate, and so equal to Dora and Nora despite the way they hate her.

I'll get my book out again when I get home and write some more .

-Saruman
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I am studying Wise Children at the moment and we have just started Chapter 4. I love the irony of the so called 'legitimate' twins when they are infact illegitimate. The rols of fathers I feel is an on going theme throughout the novel.

My favourite character has to be Grandma Chance at the moment, it is just her attitude.

In Chapter Three look out for all the humour methods (slapsick, parody etc)

Basically that is all I have from the top of my hea without dragging my folder out the bag.

Maybe we can compare notes since we are both in the same boat... Tis a suggestion
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What Saruman said is what I can think of currently. Perhaps then you can develop those points?

I have a question along the same lines...Peregrin...that lovable foil to Melchior...what's his role within Wise Children?

I've got...foil to Melchior, another set of twins, opposite of Melchior to D&N, contributes to carnival sense (magic etc)...ummmm....I'm feeling a bit brain dead atm.

Anyone got any bright starting ideas please?
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(Original post by KatDock)
What Saruman said is what I can think of currently. Perhaps then you can develop those points?

I have a question along the same lines...Peregrin...that lovable foil to Melchior...what's his role within Wise Children?

I've got...foil to Melchior, another set of twins, opposite of Melchior to D&N, contributes to carnival sense (magic etc)...ummmm....I'm feeling a bit brain dead atm.

Anyone got any bright starting ideas please?
Peregrine is the adoptive father of D+N but really he is their Uncle. Melchior is the adoptive father (without knowing) of Saskia and Imogen but really Peregrine is their real father.

*I am currently writing this last minute before setting out the door to school so bare with me*

Tristram and Gareth are the Sons of Melchior with his second wife Lady Margerine. The theme of twins is throughout the novel as Gareth has twins aswell with an unknown girl.

The life of D+N is like a carnival for their whole life until Grandma Chance dies taking the memories of their mother (Kitty) with her. *hope i didnt reveal something you haven't read yet*

That is all I can think of for know....
Best be off, otherwise I shall be late.
Hope I helped slightly
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just wondering, are all the exam questions written in the same way but about a different topic, ie: how is _____ presented and what it _____ importance?

sorry, i hope this makes sense
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Hiya, also doing Wise Children....anyone got any notes or ideas on how appropriate the title of the novel is??? can't really think of anythin! thanx
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Okay so the title comes from the "It's a wise child that knows its own father, but wiser yet the father who knows his own children" (see page 73). There is also a quotation at the start of the book...right right RIGHT at the start that says the same from Old Saw.

N+D know their father is M but it's never much of a problem for their lives although they are hung up about it.

I+S think M is their father but it's really P.

There's some ambiguity over who is M+P's father.

M is unaware that I+S aren't his daughters.

M refuses to acknowledge N+D as his daughters.

P willingly takes N+D as his daughters, but yearns after the acknowledgement from his own daughters I+S.

So the title does reflect the confusion and lack of acknowledgement and children knowing their father but the father not knowing and vise versa.

That'll do for now I'm guessing.

Kat
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i'm also studying wise children and finding the essays ridiculous. (most probably because i'm thick)
we've had the essay title of "consider the importance and presentation of perry in the novel". i can't find an awful lot to write! any help would be great, thanks x
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ok im in 9th grade and we have to write an essay on a topic from the Elizabethans times, and mine is on Astrology. but i can't really find any information on it. and i need HELP!!!! on how to write an essay. Plz help

Angel

P.S. my email address is [email protected]
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(Original post by KatDock)
Okay so the title comes from the "It's a wise child that knows its own father, but wiser yet the father who knows his own children" (see page 73). There is also a quotation at the start of the book...right right RIGHT at the start that says the same from Old Saw.

N+D know their father is M but it's never much of a problem for their lives although they are hung up about it.

I+S think M is their father but it's really P.

There's some ambiguity over who is M+P's father.

M is unaware that I+S aren't his daughters.

M refuses to acknowledge N+D as his daughters.

P willingly takes N+D as his daughters, but yearns after the acknowledgement from his own daughters I+S.

So the title does reflect the confusion and lack of acknowledgement and children knowing their father but the father not knowing and vise versa.

That'll do for now I'm guessing.

Kat

hey, yeah that's cool thanx
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Hola,
I am studying an A level in English literature part time in one year. I'm totally coping but could use some additional help to get my grade as good as it'll get. I can help others about the book as well.

Essay question=How does Angela Carter present the past and the present in chapter4.

chapter 4 is the one with saskia and imogen 21st. One thing i can think of is that blurring of reality and fantasy in doras narration. and how the narration swinging back and forward from past to present can present the whole novel to have a dreamlike quality. any ideas any1

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The essays I have done so far this year on Wise Children are

'Consider the presentation and importance of twins in the novel 'Wise Children''
'Consider the presentation and importance of Lady A in 'Wise Children'

and the one I am currently doing notes for at the moment is

'Using this section as a starting point, explore Carter's treatment of the past'
The section we are using is from page 186-190 where they are in Grandma Chance's bedroom and looking throught he wardrobe to where they go out to town and on purpose buy tarty clothes
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