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    Hearmeout yeah?

    I'm an English Lit student, and obviously Twilight just isn't a good book- as in, it's not well written and it seems to promote scarily bad values without realising it. It's antifeminist, indulgent and the poor writing grates on me.

    However, what pisses me off more than Twilight is people thinking they're clever by ****ging it off. Comparing twilight to proper books is like comparing porn to proper films and saying 'it's so unrealistic and the plot is terrible'. 99% of people know twilight is ****. Just like 99% of people know porn is embarassing and badly made.
    Twilight isn't SUPPOSED to be a literary masterpiece. It's teenage chick lit, it's the female equivilent of porn, or video games or something. Twilight is pure escapism, and fantasy material for girls, just like porn is for guys.

    Yeah, so the difference is that people take twilight pretty seriously, and get obsessed with it- in my opinion it's because for so long teenage girls (and older girls too) have been dying for something trashy and sexy and fantastical like twilight. Teenage girls simply don't have an outlet for sexuality, because they're constantly told they shouldn't really have a proper sexuality.

    Yes, as a literary work, Twilight sucks. But it obviously taps into something really powerful. There's this huge undercurrent of sexual frustration in girls and women, and I think it's amazing that something like this one trashy teenage girls book can cause such a HUGE effect. Meyer has tapped into something important that teenage girls and women feel, and that's not to be sniffed at.

    (Er, to reiterate though, I don't actually think the books are good.)
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    If you're an English Lit student you should be burning bloody Twilight. To be honest, porn probably had more effort put into than that crap.
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      I do find this amusing though:

      References to Edward's Beauty: 165

      Broken Down into the following categories -

      Face: 24 (Favorite adjectives: glorious, heavenly, seraphic)
      Voice: 20 (The voice of an archangel, donchaknow.)
      Eyes: 17
      Movement: 11
      Smile: 10
      Teeth: 8
      Muscles: 7
      Skin: 7 (Note: This only contains accounts of Edward's skin being beautiful. I didn't count re ferences to it as "pale," "cold," or "white." If I had, this number would be about ten times larger.)
      Iron Strength or Limbs: 5
      Breath: 4 (EVEN HIS BREATH IS AMAZING.)
      Scent: 4
      Laughter: 3
      Handwriting: 2
      Chest: 2
      Driving Skills: 1

      The Number of Times...

      Bella Is Clumsy or Ma kes a Reference to Her Clumsiness: 26
      Bella Sneers at Forks or Its Inhabitants: 22
      Bella is "Dazzled" or Rendered Speechless by Edward's Beauty or Touch: 17
      Edward Tells Bella to Stay Away from Him While Completely Contradicting Himself with His Behavior: 16
      Bella is Utterly Desolate at Edward's Absence: 12
      Edward and Bella Kiss: 8
      Bella's Hormones Get the Better of Her and She Attacks Edward, Almost Causing Him to Eat Her: 2 (She's n ot even allowed to kiss him back! Where's the f un in that?)

      Edward's Kiss Makes Bella Faint: 1
      Edward's Kiss Makes Bella's Heart Literally Stop: 1
      Bella Thinks She Isn't Good Enough for Edward: 6
      Edward Is Referred to As Godlike: 5 (Note: This number might be off, as I didn't start counting until three or four mentions in.)
      Edward Tells Bella She's Unnatural: 5
      Edward Sparkles: 3
      Bella is in Mortal Danger: 3
      Edward Saves Bella from Mortal Danger: 3
      Edward Stalks Bella, For Real: 2 (Note: One of t hese instances involves watching her sleep every night for, like, months.)
      Bella says "Holy Crow!": 2
      Bella and Edward Argue About Who Loves the Other Most: 1
      Edward's Inability to Read Bella's Mind is Explained: 0"
      http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...8150606AAtkGwe

      And a statistic of my own, TSR threads about Twilight:

      Edit: Also found this picture: :awesome: -

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      a.k.a. Twilight is mindless s*** for bored teens.
      We knew this already!
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      I thin k the issue is most of the fans think they are good books with a good message.
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      Twilight wasn't that popular until the films were released. They may have been bestsellers before that, but no-one paid it that much attention. There are many people who've only read - and enjoyed - the books due to the actors who play the characters. Without the films, it probably wouldn't have been as popular as it is now (I know this because very few people I know had even heard of the books before it).
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      Why did Edward decide to take Bella to a middle of the forest and then give that life crushing revelation, why not just run superspeed to her house and talk outside her door
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      99% of people know twilight is ****. Just like 99% of people know porn is embarassing and badly made.
      But this is absolutely not the case with Twilight fans. Most of them actually argue that it IS well written, and overall second to no literary classic (and they also get crazily aggressive about it).

      I don't care what twelve-year old girls read in their spare time to spur their fantasies, I just cannot hear someone say that Meyer's the most talented writer after (or even before) Dickens.
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      (Original post by missygeorgia)
      Hearmeout yeah?

      I'm an English Lit student, and obviously Twilight just isn't a good book- as in, it's not well written and it seems to promote scarily bad values without realising it. It's antifeminist, indulgent and the poor writing grates on me.

      However, what pisses me off more than Twilight is people thinking they're clever by ****ging it off. Comparing twilight to proper books is like comparing porn to proper films and saying 'it's so unrealistic and the plot is terrible'. 99% of people know twilight is ****. Just like 99% of people know porn is embarassing and badly made.
      Twilight isn't SUPPOSED to be a literary masterpiece. It's teenage chick lit, it's the female equivilent of porn, or video games or something. Twilight is pure escapism, and fantasy material for girls, just like porn is for guys.

      Yeah, so the difference is that people take twilight pretty seriously, and get obsessed with it- in my opinion it's because for so long teenage girls (and older girls too) have been dying for something trashy and sexy and fantastical like twilight. Teenage girls simply don't have an outlet for sexuality, because they're constantly told they shouldn't really have a proper sexuality.

      Yes, as a literary work, Twilight sucks. But it obviously taps into something really powerful. There's this huge undercurrent of sexual frustration in girls and women, and I think it's amazing that something like this one trashy teenage girls book can cause such a HUGE effect. Meyer has tapped into something important that teenage girls and women feel, and that's not to be sniffed at.

      (Er, to reiterate though, I don't actually think the books are good.)
      There is no possible defence for Twilight and you know it. :nah::no::nothing::sorry:
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      What I don't like is how a lot of people who like the books seem to think that the characters, especially Edward, are perfect and who they should be aiming for when really he's a creep. He sneaks into her room at night to watch her sleep, he won't let her see her friends even going as far as taking the engine out of her car to stop her, he leaves bruises all over her body - it's not healthy.
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      (Original post by cannella)
      But this is absolutely not the case with Twilight fans. Most of them actually argue that it IS well written, and overall second to no literary classic (and they also get crazily aggressive about it).

      I don't care what twelve-year old girls read in their spare time to spur their fantasies, I just cannot hear someone say that Meyer's the most talented writer after (or even before) Dickens.
      Really? most of the fans I've met have just been like 'I know it's awful but I don't care, I love it'. I see how that's annoying.
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      Personally I think it just shows how badly read people are these days if they think that Twilight is tapping into an untouched market/doing something that hasn't been done already. There are hundreds of books which do what you argue Twilight does and they do it a lot better. Hell, Gothic Literature is founded upon eroticism and the taboo and sexuality, yet it gets largely ignored.

      Lestat is far sexier than Edward Cullen. He's also a better vampire.
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      (Original post by lukejoshjedi)
      Why did Edward decide to take Bella to a middle of the forest and then give that life crushing revelation, why not just run superspeed to her house and talk outside her door
      He didn't. That the film makers fault.

      In the book, Edward doesn't do that. They discuss him being a vampire when they are driving home from Port Angeles. Also when they are having lunch in the cafeteria.
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      Aw I thought you meant twilight as in the natural phenomenon

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      I dislike how it promotes creepy relationships (Edward's weird stalking/watching Bella sleep) and Jacob's 'imprinting' on Bella's baby <-- what's up with that??!?!?

      I do agree with you that it is escapist fiction, I expect many of us are guilty of reading some kind of trashy book before... I just will not accept anyone telling me that it is the 'best book evarrr!' (not saying you're doing that btw, I mean diehard fans :p:)

      Also what's up with these weird 'Twimoms'? That's creepier than anything in the books xD
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      (Original post by Hylean)
      Personally I think it just shows how badly read people are these days if they think that Twilight is tapping into an untouched market/doing something that hasn't been done already. There are hundreds of books which do what you argue Twilight does and they do it a lot better. Hell, Gothic Literature is founded upon eroticism and the taboo and sexuality, yet it gets largely ignored.

      Lestat is far sexier than Edward Cullen. He's also a better vampire.
      If they did it better, then teenage girls would read them and love them. The fact is they don't, so obviously they're not tapping into anything major. Sure, they maybe good books, almost certainly better than Twilight, but if they were better than twilight at tapping into female sexuality, then they would be more popular than twilight, simple as that.
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      (Original post by missygeorgia)
      Really? most of the fans I've met have just been like 'I know it's awful but I don't care, I love it'. I see how that's annoying.
      Like me :p:

      I love it. Didn't at first, but it grew on me, now it's a favourite of mine.

      But even I know how terribly written it in..........us fans do get tired of hearing about Jacobs russet skin/fur. About windchime/melody laughs/voices. And about Edward's glorious skin.

      SM doesn't have a very good range of vocabulary, she seems to use the same words over and over again....but I get over it because I love the plot.
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      Like me :p:

      I love it. Didn't at first, but it grew on me, now it's a favourite of mine.

      But even I know how terribly written it in..........us fans do get tired of hearing about Jacobs russet skin/fur. About windchime/melody laughs/voices. And about Edward's glorious skin.

      SM doesn't have a very good range of vocabulary, she seems to use the same words over and over again....but I get over it because I love the plot.
      You get tired of the repetition? Some might even say you feel chagrin over it.
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      You defended Twilight, and I was VERY tempted to neg, but I like you so I won't. The thing I must disagree with is that porn is not really designed to be escapism, just a sexual outlet for people to use to be aroused, and noone tries to defend it, it's just functional. I don't think Meyer actually makes it that sexually forward - she is a mormon putting her silly dream onto paper with characters she actually thinks are good :rolleyes:
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      (Original post by Hylean)
      Personally I think it just shows how badly read people are these days if they think that Twilight is tapping into an untouched market/doing something that hasn't been done already. There are hundreds of books which do what you argue Twilight does and they do it a lot better. Hell, Gothic Literature is founded upon eroticism and the taboo and sexuality, yet it gets largely ignored.

      Lestat is far sexier than Edward Cullen. He's also a better vampire.
      Lestat was the first vampire I knew. He rocks!
     
     
     
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