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    This government is the government of her very lowness herself; that German crocodile, the Queen. The Queen and her royal family own the government, whichever or whatever government happens to be in power at the time. Thus we are in a monarchy, so-to-speak.

    Democracy - first dreamt up by Socrates or some other fool - true democracy is incompatible with monarchy, I would have thought?

    So the Queen still rules us by proxy (I think that's the right word); she is still top-dog; the top illuminatus, so-to-speak. As well as being the Head of State, she is the Head of the European traditions (the Holy Papal Orders) which now govern the Jesuit Orders, the European Union, etc. This is all factual stuff. This is very real.

    We are in a monarchy. We are more monarchy then democracy. And the Queen is the DJ to put it metaphorically. We are the disco, us and the politicians who social engineer us.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    This government is the government of her very lowness herself; that German crocodile, the Queen. The Queen and her royal family own the government, whichever or whatever government happens to be in power at the time. Thus we are in a monarchy, so-to-speak.

    Democracy - first dreamt up by Socrates or some other fool - true democracy is incompatible with monarchy, I would have thought?

    So the Queen still rules us by proxy (I think that's the right word); she is still top-dog; the top illuminatus, so-to-speak. As well as being the Head of State, she is the Head of the European traditions (the Holy Papal Orders) which now govern the Jesuit Orders, the European Union, etc. This is all factual stuff. This is very real.

    We are in a monarchy. We are more monarchy then democracy. And the Queen is the DJ to put it metaphorically. We are the disco, us and the politicians who social engineer us.


    :facepalm2: your missing a crutial fact here. Any power the queen has is purely theoretical and is never used.

    We elect the government making us a democracy
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    :facepalm2: your missing a crutial fact here. Any power the queen has is purely theoretical and is never used.

    We elect the government making us a democracy
    That's rubbish. The government is elected through whatever corrupt means they get elected and then the government has to ask permission from the Queen to form a new government. The government is not a government until permission granted.

    Theoretical power does not exist.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    That's rubbish. The government is elected through whatever corrupt means they get elected and then the government has to ask permission from the Queen to form a new government. The government is not a government until permission granted.

    Theoretical power does not exist.
    The queen always grants power to the government elected by the people. She cannot just turn around and say no David Cameron I want Nick Griffin in power he is going to make a government
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    The queen always grants power to the government elected by the people. She cannot just turn around and say no David Cameron I want Nick Griffin in power he is going to make a government
    Yes she can. She doesn't have to give consent.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    Yes she can. She doesn't have to give consent.
    Its pretty clear your just looking for another way of discrediting the government and politcial system so Im not going to bother replying back to you
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    If the royal family tries to exercise power or influence on politics then parliament can just abolish the monarchy. So they just there to look pretty.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    :facepalm2: your missing a crutial fact here. Any power the queen has is purely theoretical and is never used.

    We elect the government making us a democracy
    Having the opportunity to choose between 3 evils who then, when in power, don't do what they said they were going to do before they were in power is hardly a democracy.
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    (Original post by Guitarded)
    Choosing between 3 evils who then, when in power, don't do what they say they were going to do before they were in power is hardly a democracy.
    Meh I find democracy as a whole a completely flawed system anyway that rarely works
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    That's rubbish. The government is elected through whatever corrupt means they get elected and then the government has to ask permission from the Queen to form a new government. The government is not a government until permission granted.

    Theoretical power does not exist.


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    We are (barely, but still) a constitutional monarchy, with an elected House of Commons. With good fortune, that shall remain.

    And you misunderstand. The Queen does not rule, the commoners rule. There is God, and then there is me, with only the supremacy of the law of the land between us.

    What's so great about democracy?
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    As has been said the queen no longer has any real power. She is obliged to do what the prime-minister says. Although she is head of the church she cant even appoint archbishops. Again its up to the prime-minister.

    Please learn some facts!
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    Yes she can. She doesn't have to give consent.
    Yes she does. She is also obliged to give royal ascent to any laws parliament want to pass. This is what the English Civil War made sure of.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    :facepalm2: your missing a crutial fact here. Any power the queen has is purely theoretical and is never used.

    We elect the government making us a democracy
    This is true. The queen has to stay neutral on everything, no matter what she thinks. If she doesn't agree with the government which has been elected by the people then she becomes an enemy of the state and an enemy of the people. And the governement can relieve her of her position with immediate effect.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    That's rubbish. The government is elected through whatever corrupt means they get elected and then the government has to ask permission from the Queen to form a new government. The government is not a government until permission granted.

    Theoretical power does not exist.
    :facepalm:

    Just because they technically have the power doesn't mean we don't live in a democracy. Something picked up on in A-level politics is that because the Monarchy has power then perhaps we aren't in a democracy.

    Problem is mate, no need for some stupid attempt to discredit the government.

    We run free and fair elections and choose the government in power. If the Queen refused to let a government get power then we would just get rid of her. She may have the power, but any attempt to use it would lead to a forced abdication. Parliament does not respond to the Monarch any more. It only does it as a ceremonial thing. Don't get hung up on it.
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    If the Queen did try and abuse her power, there'd be another civil war, and nowhere near enough people would support her against those who didn't, even if there was someone stupid enough to carry out her abuse. She's a mascot, an expensive mascot admittedly, but still just a mascot.
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    (Original post by samir1106)
    As has been said the queen no longer has any real power. She is obliged to do what the prime-minister says. Although she is head of the church she cant even appoint archbishops. Again its up to the prime-minister.

    Please learn some facts!
    Everythign goes through the queen. Every single act goes through the queen and everything mp's do goes through the queen. The queen could have sacked gordon brown if she wanted to. If the queen doesn't like something she can say *right thats going out the window*. Not only that but she brings in the most money as well.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    This government is the government of her very lowness herself; that German crocodile, the Queen. The Queen and her royal family own the government, whichever or whatever government happens to be in power at the time. Thus we are in a monarchy, so-to-speak.
    :fyi: Crocodiles are not indigenous to Germany.

    Also, you're a racist, conspiracy theorist, nut-job.
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    The sovereign is the executive, but only in name. the PM and Cabinet are the effective executive.

    I don't see how a constitutional monarchy is undemocratic. I also don't think the ancient Greeks invented democracy, well only the idea/concept. Democracy as we know it today in the real world is only about 200 (maybe 300 hundred at the most) years old. Ancient Greek democracy was nothing like our modern liberal democracy.
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    (Original post by The_Great_One)
    Everythign goes through the queen. Every single act goes through the queen and everything mp's do goes through the queen. The queen could have sacked gordon brown if she wanted to. If the queen doesn't like something she can say *right thats going out the window*. Not only that but she brings in the most money as well.
    NO she can not sack the prime-minister. She has NO CHOICE but to give royal ascent to new laws
 
 
 
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