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    What are TSR's views on Miliband's views on the tuition fees?

    Considering that the Labour Party introduced tuition fees, enabled the Browne report, and allowed "soft" courses like Sociology to be in the University course selection, has Miliband got a leg to stand on?
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    No, they're just nagging away like terriers. Sociology's a genuine subject though, yes most of it is bull****, but it has practical applications.
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      No, they are just playing as the opposition party which is attempt to pick as many holes in the government as possible.
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      To be fair, that was New Labour, who were about as left as a centre-right-wing centre-rightist from centre-Rightland. He's supposed to be bringing socialism back to the Labour Party. Still, I agree that this is probably more opposition tactics than anything else.
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      (Original post by Genocidal)
      No, they are just playing as the opposition party which is attempt to pick as many holes in the government as possible.
      This exactly.
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      Well if tuition fee rises are an 'act of vandalism', what would his graduate tax be? aggravated assault?

      I think in difficult times like these, the least a responsible opposition party should do is offer an alternative approach. As far as I can see, they won't be offering anything constructive for 2+ years. It might (possibly) make political sense, but I still think it's irresponsible.
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      inb4 teveth comes and gives us some glorious heavy left wing speech about the tories are stamping on puppies and drowning kittens...
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      I thought that before the election Labour said they'd accept what the report recommended. You can't commission reports and then use the ones that support you as evidence that you're right and ignore the ones which don't.

      On the subject of Miliband, it would help if he actually had any views rather than just ****ty soundbites.
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      Glad to see that he's come out strongly-quite right as well!
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      I think its pathetic and hypocritical for all the reasons the OP said. Rather than help sort out the mess THEY made with the nation's finances and work towards the greater good for the country, Labour are unscrupulously looking towards the next election already by opposing every policy for the sake of gaining popular support, while offering no alternatives to the current plans.
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      Why would anyone vote for either of Labour and the Lib Dems for a decrease (or even just a freeze) on tuition fees?

      Labour brought in the top up fees, then went back on their 2001 manifesto pledge to get rid of them by actually tripling them (remember the fuss about it only being passed with the help of Scottish Labour MPs?). Lib Dems (in general) now seem poised to go back on their pledge to oppose a rise, and actually vote for another tripling - something they could have fought for in the same way they are allowed to oppose the Tories in the electoral reform referendum.
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      Lib Dems are simply tying to keep this coalition together until this voting reform referendum has been done once it has been done succeed or fail they will start acting in their own interests if they fail they will see no reason to support conservative changes so will just vote against them if they succeed there is no reason for them to support conservative changes either
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      (Original post by Mr Inquisitive)
      What are TSR's views on Miliband's views on the tuition fees?

      Considering that the Labour Party introduced tuition fees, enabled the Browne report, and allowed "soft" courses like Sociology to be in the University course selection, has Miliband got a leg to stand on?
      Miliband cannot even control his own party right now. There is no consensus in the Labour party on how to address the issue so right now Ed's criticism's of the government are completely worthless.
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        If Labour were in government and his superior was proposing these plans, he'd be coming out in defence of them and the Liberals and Tories would probably be moaning about them. Party politics is truly pathetic.

        The VAT increase is another example of this, I think it's very likely that Labour would have raised VAT as well, yet because the Tories do it, they sit back and moan. I think being an opposition party is definitely easier than actually governing, I could do it, you just complain about everything and offer no actual alternatives.
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        (Original post by CandyFlipper)
        I think being an opposition party is definitely easier than actually governing, I could do it, you just complain about everything and offer no actual alternatives.
        Without actually making any substantial changes of your own or taking the reigns of the party properly.

        That practically sums up Ed Miliband.
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        (Original post by meowmeowmutiny)
        You can't commission reports and then use the ones that support you as evidence that you're right and ignore the ones which don't.
        You can - and governments across the globe, regardless of ideological background, frequently do so.
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        I completely agree. Starving British higher education of cash is vandalism, and vandalism of something this country has always done very, very well.
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        I don't think Ed Miliband can be held responsible for every Labour policy of the past (such as the introduction of tuition fees under Blair).
        Otherwise every time Cameron made a point against him in Parliament he'd stand up and shout "NHS!" or something similar.
        New leader, new shadow Cabinet, clean slate.
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        (Original post by dannymccs)
        You can - and governments across the globe, regardless of ideological background, frequently do so.
        I know. Makes them somewhat a waste of time and money, doesn't it?
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        (Original post by Captain92)
        I don't think Ed Miliband can be held responsible for every Labour policy of the past (such as the introduction of tuition fees under Blair).
        Otherwise every time Cameron made a point against him in Parliament he'd stand up and shout "NHS!" or something similar.
        New leader, new shadow Cabinet, clean slate.
        Don't forget new generation :rolleyes:
       
       
       
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