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    The equation x^{2} + 2x + 5 = 0 has roots \alpha and \beta. Find the equations which have the following roots.

    \alpha^2 , \beta^2

    I've tried letting the roots equal u. Rearrange for \alpha and \beta and substitute them into the equation. But it hasn't worked, any ideas how to do this?


    \alpha + 2\beta ,  \beta + 2\alpha

    On this one again, I've let roots equal u. Then by using simultaneous equation I eliminated \beta and substituted my \alpha into the quadratic. Again I get the wrong. Is this method not suitable for this kind of question?
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    You can do it the way you said (but it is not the most efficient way).

    u = \alpha^2

    \alpha = \pm \sqrt u

    u + 2 (\pm \sqrt u) + 5 = 0

    Rearrange to make \pm \sqrt u the subject and square.

    It is easier to use the identity \alpha^2 + \beta^2 = (\alpha + \beta)^2 - 2 \alpha \beta

    You can use a u substitution for the second one too.

    u = \alpha + 2 \beta

    You know \alpha + \beta = -2 so u = -2 + \beta and \beta = u + 2
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    (Original post by Mr M)
    You can do it the way you said (but it is not the most efficient way).

    u = \alpha^2

    \alpha = \pm \sqrt u

    u + 2 (\pm \sqrt u) + 5 = 0

    Rearrange to make \pm \sqrt u the subject and square.

    It is easier to use the identity \alpha^2 + \beta^2 = (\alpha + \beta)^2 - 2 \alpha \beta

    You can use a u substitution for the second one too.

    u = \alpha + 2 \beta

    You know \alpha + \beta = -2 so u = -2 + \beta and \beta = u + 2
    Thank you. For the first part isn't the answer just u + 2 (\pm \sqrt u) + 5 = 0 squared as it wanted the equation or is this why I'm not getting the same answer as the textbook?

    And for the second part, I like your method. I'm just wondering why my original method didn't work.

     u = \alpha + 2 \beta can be rearranged as  \alpha = u - 2\beta
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     u = \beta + 2\alpha can be rearranged as  \beta = u - 2\alpha

    I can substitute 2nd equation into 1st to get

     \alpha = u - 2(u -2\alpha)

     \alpha = -u + 4\alpha

     3\alpha = u

     \alpha = \frac{u}{3}

    And this value for  \alpha is different to yours, so I must have gone wrong with my method some how?
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    (Original post by Freerider101)
    Thank you. For the first part isn't the answer just u + 2 (\pm \sqrt u) + 5 = 0 squared as it wanted the equation or is this why I'm not getting the same answer as the textbook?

    And for the second part, I like your method. I'm just wondering why my original method didn't work.

     u = \alpha + 2 \beta can be rearranged as  \alpha = u - 2\beta
    and
     u = \beta + 2\alpha can be rearranged as  \beta = u - 2\alpha

    I can substitute 2nd equation into 1st to get

     \alpha = u - 2(u -2\alpha)

     \alpha = -u + 4\alpha

     3\alpha = u

     \alpha = \frac{u}{3}

    And this value for  \alpha is different to yours, so I must have gone wrong with my method some how?
    On the first thing you need to make the \pm bit the subject so that it becomes positive when you square both sides.

    On your second point, you are making the incorrect assumption that the roots of the new equation are equal (you have set them both equal to u).
 
 
 
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