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    Why does the government use family income as a boundary as to whether a student is entitled to a grant and other financial privileges? And why, now it seems, is this likely going to be used for students who will gain some leeway with the new tuition fee increases?

    For example: Student A lives with his father (mother is out of the picture). His father earns £40,000 a year. However, Student A has a step family, and rarely sees any of that money as he doesn't get on that well with his father - and most of the money goes towards the other children. His father has said he won't give him any money towards his education.

    Student B lives with his mother and father. The father is unemployed and the mother earns a small sum a year through cleaning. The parents spend a lot of money on Student B and are happy to make sacrifices for him. They are going to send him a decent amount of money every month for living expenses.

    So, don't you think it's unfair that it is just measured by family income? Where a student a from a poorer family may receive more support from that family than a student from a richer family.
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    Now, explain how on earth you're then meant to judge it. Resources aren't in place to look at everyone individually.

    This discussion has been done many times (EMA and university loans) but i'm not seeing any logical suggestions yet as to how to fix it.
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    (Original post by Nymthae)
    Now, explain how on earth you're then meant to judge it. Resources aren't in place to look at everyone individually.

    This discussion has been done many times (EMA and university loans) but i'm not seeing any logical suggestions yet as to how to fix it.
    What about just having maintenance loans (that are actually enough to live on) available to everyone and getting rid of grants altogether?
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    (Original post by Nymthae)
    Now, explain how on earth you're then meant to judge it. Resources aren't in place to look at everyone individually.

    This discussion has been done many times (EMA and university loans) but i'm not seeing any logical suggestions yet as to how to fix it.
    Just about to post the same thing. Well said.

    OP- How else can it be measured? It would cost the taxpayer far more than the current system to implement a system to look specifically at each family. Not to mention the amount of time it would take. Can you explain another suggestion?
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    Well you can't write all of that, and not suggest an alternative.

    Well?
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    it is based on the assumption that your parents aren't dicks
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    (Original post by Silly Goose)
    What about just having maintenance loans (that are actually enough to live on) available to everyone and getting rid of grants altogether?
    Because let's just say that rich family DOES give their children money, and POOR families don't, then you have a situation which is morally unfair in the eyes of the government.
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    Totally Agreed.and thinking about it make me a bit annoyed and make me even more annoyed because they are not doing anything to resolve this problem
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    (Original post by TravelGuru)
    Because let's just say that rich family DOES give their children money, and POOR families don't, then you have a situation which is morally unfair in the eyes of the government.
    How is that unfair?
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    Even if student A was given a small percentage of his fathers income and student B was given a large percentage of his mothers income they would surely come out in favour of student A even if he is given less by his family as a percentage comparatively, the actual values would LIKELY be higher. Obviously this is not always the case but in general this affects very few people negatively and universities usually have schemes in place for those who can't cope which these few people could use.
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    (Original post by TravelGuru)
    Because let's just say that rich family DOES give their children money, and POOR families don't, then you have a situation which is morally unfair in the eyes of the government.
    And yet, the reverse isn't unfair?
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    :hugs: are you student A?
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    If there isn't a reliable way to measure who gets a grant, then why bother having them? No point trying to solve a problem if you're only creating more.
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    If they gave more money to students based on how much their parents were willing to give them, then everybody would play the system and say they can't afford to give any money, no matter how rich they are.

    There is no perfect solution.
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    There shouldnt be any support. Cant afford it? Well tough!
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    Poor ****ing rich kids, they have it so hard.
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    It's just your parents base pay added together if it's less than say 40000 pa then you can has grant
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    (Original post by Silly Goose)
    How is that unfair?
    You'll have to ask the government that sonny.
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    (Original post by Margaret Thatcher)
    And yet, the reverse isn't unfair?
    Like I said, not in the eyes of the government, hence why they passed taxation to take 50% income off top earners, that's hardly fair either is it?
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    If kids can prove that they truly are financially independant of their families, then it doesn't matter how rich they are; said kids will get the support they need.
 
 
 
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