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Reply 1
Bristol
C and then Java then Haskell
Knowing C is probably the most valuable thing in programming you could ever learn. Other uni's avoid it and wait until like the last term to teach it. Such a mistake.
C and then Java then Haskell
Knowing C is probably the most valuable thing in programming you could ever learn. Other uni's avoid it and wait until like the last term to teach it. Such a mistake.
Reply 3
Lancaster University
Java in the first year and then mainly C in second and third years.
Java in the first year and then mainly C in second and third years.
Original post by TheWakeUpCall
Bristol
C and then Java then Haskell
Knowing C is probably the most valuable thing in programming you could ever learn. Other uni's avoid it and wait until like the last term to teach it. Such a mistake.
C and then Java then Haskell
Knowing C is probably the most valuable thing in programming you could ever learn. Other uni's avoid it and wait until like the last term to teach it. Such a mistake.
Would you mind expanding on this and your reasoning for promoting C as a language to learn early? I don't necessarily disagree, but I've heard arguments for pretty much the reverse order to the one you've listed above (I'm guessing that by 'last term' you mean last term of first year?)
Reply 6
University of Kent
Java in the first year, Haskell, SQL (if you want to count that as a programming language) in the second year. Optional 2nd/3rd year modules for C, PHP, scripting on *nix (perl, bash).
I should clarify actually, that's the new way of doing things at my uni. When I started it was Java + Haskell in the first year, PHP and SQL in the 2nd year, optional 2nd/3rd year modules for C/*nix scripting
Java in the first year, Haskell, SQL (if you want to count that as a programming language) in the second year. Optional 2nd/3rd year modules for C, PHP, scripting on *nix (perl, bash).
I should clarify actually, that's the new way of doing things at my uni. When I started it was Java + Haskell in the first year, PHP and SQL in the 2nd year, optional 2nd/3rd year modules for C/*nix scripting
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Reply 7
University of Central Lancashire
C++
C++
Original post by A-K-J
Thanks for the replies, the i universities i been looking at dont mention which language but i guess java is a common one.
Anyone else?
Anyone else?
I think you can expect most unis to teach Java because it's easy to learn.
At the two undergrad courses I've done:
University of St Andrews: Java in first year, HTML/XHTML/CSS. Optional PHP depending on which second module you took. Second year: more Java, C, HUGS (A Haskell environment for formal logic specifications) and MIPS assembly, MySQL syntax
University of Dundee: Java, HTML/XHTML/CSS, ActionScript
, VB 2005, ASP.Net, C, C++, C#, PHP, JSP, BASH scripting, Python, MSSQL syntax
Not all of these are languages in their own right, obviously.
University of St Andrews: Java in first year, HTML/XHTML/CSS. Optional PHP depending on which second module you took. Second year: more Java, C, HUGS (A Haskell environment for formal logic specifications) and MIPS assembly, MySQL syntax
University of Dundee: Java, HTML/XHTML/CSS, ActionScript
, VB 2005, ASP.Net, C, C++, C#, PHP, JSP, BASH scripting, Python, MSSQL syntaxNot all of these are languages in their own right, obviously.
Reply 13
Original post by Chrosson
Would you mind expanding on this and your reasoning for promoting C as a language to learn early? I don't necessarily disagree, but I've heard arguments for pretty much the reverse order to the one you've listed above (I'm guessing that by 'last term' you mean last term of first year?)
OK, well maybe last term was a bit of an exaggeration, though when I was looking at unis, c wasn't taught until the end of the course (last couple years, if that). From other peoples' responses though it seems like that has changed.
As for the reasons behind learning C early, as C was a very early language, most other languages are influenced by it. Understanding pointers is fundamental to know how to program efficiently. That includes Java. I don't understand how people can see what Java references are doing without knowing about the pointers underneath.
It also means you can start learning languages like C++ and objective-C earlier and so will have more experience with them when you need them.
At Leeds they teach Python in the only programming-dedicated course, but other courses use Java, C, C++, Haskell, Matlab, Prolog, Lisp etc.
Works fine for me, but some people managed to get to third year with only a very basic grasp of Python and are completely stumped when it comes to anything beyond basic high-level scripting.
Works fine for me, but some people managed to get to third year with only a very basic grasp of Python and are completely stumped when it comes to anything beyond basic high-level scripting.
Well I do the MCS course here, so in my first year I only took the two programming modules - both of which were Java (Fundamentals in OOP, then software engineering stuff). 2nd year now and I take a few more computing modules but soft engineering is still in Java, AI is using Java and Matlab, and for Web Apps we learnt JavaScript and again Java. The normal computing students learned HTML and CSS in their first year which was used in Web Apps too, but use MCS students had to basically self teach ourselves it. I presume the third year for us will be.. yep Java again, but I know for Computing students there's an optional module in C++ (But it's run by the engineering department, not computing...).
I think first year computing also learns a Functional Language too, but I'm not precisely sure which
I think first year computing also learns a Functional Language too, but I'm not precisely sure which
Original post by TheWakeUpCall
OK, well maybe last term was a bit of an exaggeration, though when I was looking at unis, c wasn't taught until the end of the course (last couple years, if that). From other peoples' responses though it seems like that has changed.
As for the reasons behind learning C early, as C was a very early language, most other languages are influenced by it. Understanding pointers is fundamental to know how to program efficiently. That includes Java. I don't understand how people can see what Java references are doing without knowing about the pointers underneath.
It also means you can start learning languages like C++ and objective-C earlier and so will have more experience with them when you need them.
As for the reasons behind learning C early, as C was a very early language, most other languages are influenced by it. Understanding pointers is fundamental to know how to program efficiently. That includes Java. I don't understand how people can see what Java references are doing without knowing about the pointers underneath.
It also means you can start learning languages like C++ and objective-C earlier and so will have more experience with them when you need them.
Seems fair. It's also been brought to my attention that I've quoted you repeatedly and it probably seems like I'm stalking you. I assure you this isn't the case. I assume something about your posts prods some kind of nerve.
Reply 19
Newcastle University - Java
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