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    Anyone hear the interview with Lib Dem MP of Birmingham Yardley John Hemming on Radio4? This idiot wants to support the tutition fees increase because he doesn't like protests and wants to punish students and people who wants to protest.

    Shows that these rich MP's are really out of touch with people. My friend is a single mother with a child that is 3yrs old and earns under £8,000 a year are these people bloody stupid if they think she can pay £9,000 a year for 3 years? Even if the government pay her first year she still needs to pay £18,000 for the last two.

    98% of these MP's were born into rich families and educated in expensive private schools (David Cameron=Eton) how can they understand how people on low incomes or medium incomes survive? They are out of touch really badly.
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    You do realise that people can get loans to cover the costs of uni...

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    (Original post by CitizensUnited)
    You do realise that people can get loans to cover the costs of uni...

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    Sssshhhh

    I dont think OP has quite worked this out yet

    Tell him we get bursaries and grants too and his brain might just explode :O

    Silly OP.
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    Although the fee increases aren't as bad as the media are making them out to be, voting for them purely to spite a small minority of those affected (the protesters) is unacceptable for a politician.
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    (Original post by Hudzy)
    Although the fee increases aren't as bad as the media are making them out to be, voting for them purely to spite a small minority of those affected (the protesters) is unacceptable for a politician.
    This. It's like saying women shouldn't vote because of the acts of the suffragettes.
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    (Original post by Shablam)
    Anyone hear the interview with Lib Dem MP of Birmingham Yardley John Hemming on Radio4? This idiot wants to support the tutition fees increase because he doesn't like protests and wants to punish students and people who wants to protest.

    Shows that these rich MP's are really out of touch with people. My friend is a single mother with a child that is 3yrs old and earns under £8,000 a year are these people bloody stupid if they think she can pay £9,000 a year for 3 years? Even if the government pay her first year she still needs to pay £18,000 for the last two.

    98% of these MP's were born into rich families and educated in expensive private schools (David Cameron=Eton) how can they understand how people on low incomes or medium incomes survive? They are out of touch really badly.
    No she doesn't. She needs £0. Upfront fees are and will remain £0.

    It is people peddling these myths that will reduce access, not the proposals themselves.
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    Just because the debt isn't front ended, does not mean that it isn't a barrier. As soon as you sign up - you sign up for debts of £9000/year and more. Significantly more debt than students already face now. . Are you saying that because the debt only becomes 'real' at the end of your course that it won't deter people from poorer backgrounds at the start? All of the evidence (and common sense) tells us that it is just the opposite. What about scrapping the EMG? Thousands of students stopped even before they get the chance to sign up for tens of thousands of debt. And Clegg tries to fool us that scrapping this £450 million can be replaced by a £150 million scholarship fund! What’s the point in free first years for the poorest if they drop out of college before they get there?”
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    (Original post by Shablam)
    Anyone hear the interview with Lib Dem MP of Birmingham Yardley John Hemming on Radio4? This idiot wants to support the tutition fees increase because he doesn't like protests and wants to punish students and people who wants to protest.

    Shows that these rich MP's are really out of touch with people. My friend is a single mother with a child that is 3yrs old and earns under £8,000 a year are these people bloody stupid if they think she can pay £9,000 a year for 3 years? Even if the government pay her first year she still needs to pay £18,000 for the last two.

    98% of these MP's were born into rich families and educated in expensive private schools (David Cameron=Eton) how can they understand how people on low incomes or medium incomes survive? They are out of touch really badly.
    Or perhaps you are the one who is out of touch, given how little you know about how student finance actually works? Fees aren't paid upfront - a graduate pays back her loan via 9% of income earned above £15,000 (changing to £21k with the proposals). The debt cannot be foreclosed, it is impossible to fall behind with payments as it is just like income tax, and it is written off completed after 25 years (30 years after the reforms). How about you check your facts before you come on here accusing others of being 'out of touch'?
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    Let's cut through the diversionary twaddle and get to the point, the Lib Dems campaigned for votes - especially targeted at students - by making an explicit, unambiguous promise "to vote against any rise in tuition fees".

    They lied.

    Now you have an individual who signed that pledge peddling the most assinine reasons for his party's treachery

    "At the moment I'm very likely to vote for the increase, simply because we cannot reward the bad behaviour from today," he added.

    "The problem you've got is this: If you reward this form of behaviour, if it has any effect which is a positive effect, you're encouraging the behaviour in the future."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-11928867
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    To be fair, he's got a point.

    Who wants to live in a country where people exercise their democratic rights or even *gasp* hold politicians to account for broken election promises.
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    (Original post by Smitty66)
    Just because the debt isn't front ended, does not mean that it isn't a barrier. As soon as you sign up - you sign up for debts of £9000/year and more. Significantly more debt than students already face now. . Are you saying that because the debt only becomes 'real' at the end of your course that it won't deter people from poorer backgrounds at the start? All of the evidence (and common sense) tells us that it is just the opposite. What about scrapping the EMG? Thousands of students stopped even before they get the chance to sign up for tens of thousands of debt. And Clegg tries to fool us that scrapping this £450 million can be replaced by a £150 million scholarship fund! What’s the point in free first years for the poorest if they drop out of college before they get there?”
    Yes, actually. The debt only becomes 'real' when you're earning over £21K. You don't pay a penny back before then, you can't default on it, it acts purely as a tax, not a debt. The upfront fees are £0, the maintenance grants and loans are becoming more generous, and there's more money going into access (£120M). Why on earth should £0 upfront fees stop anyone from going, especially when those they don't earn that much don't pay it back (you'd need to average in excess of £40K/annum to pay back the entirety of the debt.
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    I love the fact that a couple of my friends and a bunch of others took over his office. Beautiful.
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    (Original post by Shablam)
    Anyone hear the interview with Lib Dem MP of Birmingham Yardley John Hemming on Radio4? This idiot wants to support the tutition fees increase because he doesn't like protests and wants to punish students and people who wants to protest.

    And? Most of the protesters do not have a clear understanding of the new system anyway.

    Shows that these rich MP's are really out of touch with people. My friend is a single mother with a child that is 3yrs old and earns under £8,000 a year are these people bloody stupid if they think she can pay £9,000 a year for 3 years?

    I don't really care about some anecdotal evidence you have. You do not pay upfront. If she is that bad off then it is unlikely she will have a 21k a year job straight off so will not need to worry about payment for awhile after her course is finished

    Even if the government pay her first year she still needs to pay £18,000 for the last two. Above

    98% of these MP's were born into rich families and educated in expensive private schools (David Cameron=Eton) how can they understand how people on low incomes or medium incomes survive? They are out of touch really badly.
    Just because you are rich does not make you out of touch. Its a pretty ignorant assumption to make tbh.
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    (Original post by Ungeziefer)
    To be fair, he's got a point.

    Who wants to live in a country where people exercise their democratic rights or even *gasp* hold politicians to account for broken election promises.
    Lib Dems said they would end tuition fees as part of a Lib Dem government. There is no Lib Dem government. They have broken no pledge. It sounds quite weak it mostly likely is but even so.
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    hmmm i am definitely against tuition fee rises but nobody is forcing you to go to university
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Lib Dems said they would end tuition fees as part of a Lib Dem government. There is no Lib Dem government. They have broken no pledge. It sounds quite weak it mostly likely is but even so.
    Leading Liberal Democrats promised to personally vote against fee increases - they have the ability to do this whether they are in Government or not. The lack of a lib dem government has nothing to do with it.
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    (Original post by Silly Goose)
    Leading Liberal Democrats promised to personally vote against fee increases - they have the ability to do this whether they are in Government or not. The lack of a lib dem government has nothing to do with it.
    Even so thats the logic one of the ex Lib Dems used to justify the tution fee rise
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Lib Dems said they would end tuition fees as part of a Lib Dem government. There is no Lib Dem government. They have broken no pledge. It sounds quite weak it mostly likely is but even so.
    No, they said they would vote against any attempt to increase tuition fees. Whether or not they were in government was not mentioned, the Lib dems are just using that as an excuse.
 
 
 
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