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    i was just looking on the association of graduate recruiters website, as i'm researching for an essay on graduate jobs and this article caught my eye :holmes:

    Pupils from comprehensive schools are more likely to gain better university degrees than children educated privately or at grammar schools, a controversial study has claimed.

    If students have the same A-level results, 78 per cent of state school pupils will graduate with a 2.1 degree, compared with 70 per cent of grammar school pupils and 63 per cent of those from private schools.

    And the chances of comprehensive pupils gaining a first class degree is 10 per cent, falling to seven per cent for grammar students, and five per cent for private school pupils.

    Education think-tank the Sutton Trust, which commissioned the study, said the results showed how comprehensive schools failed to stretch young people academically and it was only when they went to university that they were challenged to reach their full potential.

    Lee Elliot Major, the trust’s director of research, said: “This shows that A-level results should not be the only reason to offer university admittance.”
    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...r-state-pupils

    so, what are your thoughts? :holmes:
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    If you went to a comp you might have also learned how to study to get those great grades whereas maybe the schools where uni entry is more of an expectation than a nice to have might have been better at force feeding? Or that if you went to a comp you fought harder to get as far as uni than those who went to private school and aren't going to give up now you got there? Who knows!
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    The trust's analysis of it sounds pretty good to me. Basically, at Grammar and Independent schools the teaching (and competition) is better so even those who would normally do worse are made to keep up with the others. Whereas in comprehensives, they aren't necessarily challenged enough to give their best. (This is just a generalisation, I'm sure there are plenty of comprehensives with higher standards than other schools, particularly state grammar's).
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    Lucky for me then! I'm at a comprehensive so bad half our teachers have left and we've had our specialist status taken away
    I think it's because comprehensivestudents like me realise we have to work harder to get places whereas private students can always be tutored in a subject they're failing and if they can't get a job then they can just live off their parents' money. (Generalisation, I know. But is there any other way to discuss something like this?)
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    It's because state school pupils learn to work without anyone forcing a stick up their arse, unlike the independent school brigade.

    *Sniff sniff.

    We prole state school crew are making Jezza proud:
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    I can't say I am surprised. And I come from an independent
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    I thought the overall percentage who got firsts was something like 14% though?
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    (Original post by amiejade-x)
    i was just looking on the association of graduate recruiters website, as i'm researching for an essay on graduate jobs and this article caught my eye :holmes:



    http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...r-state-pupils

    so, what are your thoughts? :holmes:
    I hated university and i went to a rough london state comp. i found it to be full of stuck up people and i wish i hadn't gone to uni cos i don't need to be around elitist toffs who think they're better than me cos they have a bit of money and went to priv/grammar school.

    Also, i got a 2:1 in geophysics from ucl with v little studying but getting a job is nigh impossible and i bet all those rich private and grammar school scums are using contacts to get jobs whereas we common folk are left to rot in the gutter. Doing a degree was the biggest waste of time ever....wish i'd just become a plumber or carpenter or something....Apprenticeships ftw!
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    (Original post by blue_shift86)
    I hated university and i went to a rough london state comp. i found it to be full of stuck up people and i wish i hadn't gone to uni cos i don't need to be around elitist toffs who think they're better than me cos they have a bit of money and went to priv/grammar school.

    Also, i got a 2:1 in geophysics from ucl with v little studying but getting a job is nigh impossible and i bet all those rich private and grammar school scums are using contacts to get jobs whereas we common folk are left to rot in the gutter. Doing a degree was the biggest waste of time ever....wish i'd just become a plumber or carpenter or something....Apprenticeships ftw!
    did you have any work experience or a placement year during your degree?
    the essay i'm actually writing is on the importance of work experience to be successful in acheiving a graduate job :holmes:
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    I know my step-brother who is at York said he found those who went to grammar/indepedent schools/sixth forms struggled at University because they weren't being spoon fed the information.
    I can believe it because coming from a crappy state school myself our Chemistry class had to learn most of the syllabus ourselves because our school didn't have the resources or time to teach it themselves. My school definately toughened me up. :cool:
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    I guess it could also be the case that students from stricter, disciplined schools (i.e. not comprehensives) struggle to adapt to the relatively lax university environment, and are thus more likely to go off-the-rails.
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    (Original post by Colour Me Pretty)
    I know my step-brother who is at York said he found those who went to grammar/indepedent schools/sixth forms struggled at University because they weren't being spoon fed the information.
    This surprises me. My grammar school was very much of the "here's the syllabus, here's a textbook, get on with it" school of thought - the history department in particular was known for deliberately only teaching students enough to get them a C grade, so that in order to get an A they'd have to do most of the work themselves - and I thought that was true of most grammar schools. The teachers bash through the material once, at breakneck speed, and if you don't keep up then it's your problem.

    I guess it could be what lovely_me said - grammar school kids are pushed hard to constantly improve (if you're doing A-levels, you need As in all subjects because anything less than a B is enough to get you kicked out. If you're predicted As in all your subjects, you should be doing AEAs in them. If you're doing AEAs, you should get distinctions in all of them - etc. etc.) and once you get to uni, you don't have that kind of external pressure. You have to push yourself to work, so the ones with less motivation take their foot off the gas.

    Also, grammar school kids are EXPECTED to go to university. A lot of them don't actually think there's any viable alternative once you've finished A-levels. Perhaps the people from comp schools who go to uni are the ones who actually want to go and want to learn, rather than going because they don't think they've got any choice.
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      How much more likely?

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      Good. People will stop complaining.But does it take into account which university/courses they each end up going to? Didn't read.
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      This was in the Guardian recently.

      However, the results do not account for difficulty of course/university.

      Is a 1st from Bolton in English equivalent to a 2:1 in Medicine from Oxford?
      No, probably not.

      Apparently, at the top universities, the converse is true, although, the source for this was the Chairman of Independent Schools, so maybe it's not as balck and white as he tried to make out.
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      (Original post by blue_shift86)
      I hated university and i went to a rough london state comp. i found it to be full of stuck up people and i wish i hadn't gone to uni cos i don't need to be around elitist toffs who think they're better than me cos they have a bit of money and went to priv/grammar school.

      Also, i got a 2:1 in geophysics from ucl with v little studying but getting a job is nigh impossible and i bet all those rich private and grammar school scums are using contacts to get jobs whereas we common folk are left to rot in the gutter. Doing a degree was the biggest waste of time ever....wish i'd just become a plumber or carpenter or something....Apprenticeships ftw!
      I would just like to make it clear that I only repped you, because I agree with your bluntless about the inequality of British education. I do not, however, agree with that tripe at the end about plumbers and carpenters. Can you imagine if Stephen Hawking worried about 'the state of the things' and decided to take up painting and decoration instead of astrophysics. If you're in it just for the money then you might as well frig off right now, because Mr Government's gonna take all that regardless......
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      true....as those who go to comp (myself included) have to practically self teach the A level courses to ourselves if we want anything close to a decent grade...therefore a uni environment of "teach yourself" is no different to what we get in school
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      I agree in part with what other people are saying about people getting better grades than they would have got otherwise - but also, many students who go to grammer schools go because they feel they have to, more students from comprehenseives go because they really want to, and those are the students who are more likely to work hard, i feel that at uni your grade depends a lot more on effort than raw intelligence and teaching quality like it does at school
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      Also, just wanted to say: grammar school pupil =/= rich

      Grammar schools are state-funded, making them free to attend, same as comprehensives. I don't know where the idea that everyone who attends a grammar school is from a rich family comes from.
     
     
     
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