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    Hi all,

    I've seen the admission's details and it's AAA for International Relations, and I have AABB. But I really want to study at St Andrews (I've held an offer from them before) and do IR there!!

    Do you think there is ANY chance of me getting in (if I have a really good PS) or will it be a waste of a choice?

    I fell in love with the city, the uni and everything about it, and would do anything possible to study there!
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    (Original post by Lusine)
    Hi all,

    I've seen the admission's details and it's AAA for International Relations, and I have AABB. But I really want to study at St Andrews (I've held an offer from them before) and do IR there!!

    Do you think there is ANY chance of me getting in (if I have a really good PS) or will it be a waste of a choice?

    I fell in love with the city, the uni and everything about it, and would do anything possible to study there!
    The chance is pretty slim, but still - email the admissions department and ask them
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    I agree with the op. The chances are pretty slim.

    From speaking to professsors and lecturers etc in the IR department the key to entry in IR in St.Andrews is definatly the personal statement.

    Its really Competetive. This year for every 11 applicants that apllied, 1 got in. And every year people with perfect AAAA grades get turned away because thier personal statement just isnt up to scratch.

    Peolple every year say in thier statement "Ive done X and Y" etc, Thats great, but the key is to express enthusiam for the subject, and give evidence to back up your enthusiasm.

    For example (Im in St andrews for physics but I knew people in the IR department) I bought a uni text book, read a chapter, and talked about it. This shows that I had the enthusiam to get and read a book that is outside a normal learning experience and also that I had the capability to understand complex ideas.

    So find a current world event your interested in, or a particular academic paper and write about it in your statement and how this excites you etc


    Hope this helps and hope you get in to St. Andrews!
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    (Original post by Fleming92)
    I agree with the op. The chances are pretty slim.

    From speaking to professsors and lecturers etc in the IR department the key to entry in IR in St.Andrews is definatly the personal statement.

    Its really Competetive. This year for every 11 applicants that apllied, 1 got in. And every year people with perfect AAAA grades get turned away because thier personal statement just isnt up to scratch.

    Peolple every year say in thier statement "Ive done X and Y" etc, Thats great, but the key is to express enthusiam for the subject, and give evidence to back up your enthusiasm.

    For example (Im in St andrews for physics but I knew people in the IR department) I bought a uni text book, read a chapter, and talked about it. This shows that I had the enthusiam to get and read a book that is outside a normal learning experience and also that I had the capability to understand complex ideas.

    So find a current world event your interested in, or a particular academic paper and write about it in your statement and how this excites you etc


    Hope this helps and hope you get in to St. Andrews!
    That's similar to what i'd did when applying to physic for the 2011 course at st andrews. I talked about the cosmic landscape book I read. And I was really enthusiastic when talking about why I wanted to do physics. But to be honest it was hard for me not to be enthusiastic because i love the subject and i cant understand these people that say they find it hard to write a personal about their love for a subject.
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    you wont know unless you apply, i don't see why not, getting an offer isnt exactly difficult if you write a decent PS.

    People throw around 'oh but only 1 in 10 applicants come to st andrews etc. blah blah blah' but this also includes all the people they give offers to but choose to go elsewhere (and for other subjects, maybe not IR, this is the majority of students, infact I think for maths they give out offers to over half of all the applicants, the rest must just be those who really fail to meet the entry standards).

    Let me put it this way, just about everyone from my year who applied to st andrews got in, I would say about 50% of my year applied thats a good 100 people, of which i think maybe 15 came the others choosing to go elsewhere.
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    I think for maths they give out offers to over half of all the applicants,.
    Only about a third of applicants for maths get offers actually.
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    (Original post by Fleming92)
    I agree with the op. The chances are pretty slim.

    From speaking to professsors and lecturers etc in the IR department the key to entry in IR in St.Andrews is definatly the personal statement.

    Its really Competetive. This year for every 11 applicants that apllied, 1 got in. And every year people with perfect AAAA grades get turned away because thier personal statement just isnt up to scratch.

    Peolple every year say in thier statement "Ive done X and Y" etc, Thats great, but the key is to express enthusiam for the subject, and give evidence to back up your enthusiasm.

    For example (Im in St andrews for physics but I knew people in the IR department) I bought a uni text book, read a chapter, and talked about it. This shows that I had the enthusiam to get and read a book that is outside a normal learning experience and also that I had the capability to understand complex ideas.

    So find a current world event your interested in, or a particular academic paper and write about it in your statement and how this excites you etc


    Hope this helps and hope you get in to St. Andrews!
    Thanks for all the advice! When I got an offer from them last time I'd applied for Medicine, which is pretty competitive, but at the time I was predicted straight As (offer was AAB) and had a very good PS plus I was invited for an interview which went really well. Financial circumstances didnt allow me to take up the offer.

    Now I already have my grades, and they're not going to invite me for an interview, but I am as passionate about IR now as I was about Medicine at the time!

    I guess I'm just worried that they'll dismiss my application straightaway just because of the grades...what do you think?
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    (Original post by Lusine)
    Thanks for all the advice! When I got an offer from them last time I'd applied for Medicine, which is pretty competitive, but at the time I was predicted straight As (offer was AAB) and had a very good PS plus I was invited for an interview which went really well. Financial circumstances didnt allow me to take up the offer.

    Now I already have my grades, and they're not going to invite me for an interview, but I am as passionate about IR now as I was about Medicine at the time!

    I guess I'm just worried that they'll dismiss my application straightaway just because of the grades...what do you think?
    To be honest, youve only missed the asking grades by one, so your personal statement will be looked at

    Like I said, i met one of professor that looks at IR personal statments, from meeting and speaking with him, I'm pretty sure he'll look at it. He looked over my physics one when I applied last year. The main thing he said to me was that every year, people send personal statements who just list achivements, which is great, but the most important thing is that you have a huge passion for your subject.

    This is because he wants students who will go all the way through the course and love every minute. Because whats the point in investing in a student that'll drop out after a year?

    I can tell that you have a passion for IR, so I think that'll you produce a great statement. Like I said, youve got to back up that passion, write about a current world event or academic paper (or somethign else like in a uni textbook or something, you chose, I dont have that much experince with IR theory )

    If you need anymore advice with your PS or the application process, just PM me
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    (Original post by Fleming92)
    To be honest, youve only missed the asking grades by one, so your personal statement will be looked at

    Like I said, i met one of professor that looks at IR personal statments, from meeting and speaking with him, I'm pretty sure he'll look at it. He looked over my physics one when I applied last year. The main thing he said to me was that every year, people send personal statements who just list achivements, which is great, but the most important thing is that you have a huge passion for your subject.

    This is because he wants students who will go all the way through the course and love every minute. Because whats the point in investing in a student that'll drop out after a year?

    I can tell that you have a passion for IR, so I think that'll you produce a great statement. Like I said, youve got to back up that passion, write about a current world event or academic paper (or somethign else like in a uni textbook or something, you chose, I dont have that much experince with IR theory )

    If you need anymore advice with your PS or the application process, just PM me


    That's fab! I think I'm definitely applying there. I was thinking Warwick if not, but tbh, there is no way I'd firm Warwick, so I might as well try St Andrews, nothing to lose

    And since you're being so nice, I shall make the full use of it and send you my PS :rolleyes:

    Thanks!
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    You should really state in your opening post that this is for A Level btw because from reading the title I assumed it was highers.
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    (Original post by Ecosse_14)
    You should really state in your opening post that this is for A Level btw because from reading the title I assumed it was highers.
    Oh, sorry, didn't think of that...Any advice anyway?
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    (Original post by Lusine)
    Oh, sorry, didn't think of that...Any advice anyway?
    Sorry I don't really know much about A Levels and how unis look at them and things But if you've held an offer from them before then that might pop up and you may be in for a chance, depends how good your PS is
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    (Original post by Ecosse_14)
    Sorry I don't really know much about A Levels and how unis look at them and things But if you've held an offer from them before then that might pop up and you may be in for a chance, depends how good your PS is
    Cool, cheers.

    I've edited the title btw, and by doing so remembered that there just wasn't enough space to put it all in, but it's done now
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    (Original post by Lusine)
    That's fab! I think I'm definitely applying there. I was thinking Warwick if not, but tbh, there is no way I'd firm Warwick, so I might as well try St Andrews, nothing to lose

    And since you're being so nice, I shall make the full use of it and send you my PS :rolleyes:

    Thanks!
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    One thing to note - though this might have changed with IR due to popularity - is that in St Andrews you get into faculties not subjects (even if they have different entry grades) and do 2/3 subjects from the faculty in first and second year so you can apply for a history degree for example and then do an IR module and if you get top grades then change subject to IR.
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    (Original post by CJ99)
    One thing to note - though this might have changed with IR due to popularity - is that in St Andrews you get into faculties not subjects (even if they have different entry grades) and do 2/3 subjects from the faculty in first and second year so you can apply for a history degree for example and then do an IR module and if you get top grades then change subject to IR.
    This is really helpful, thanks. I might ring and find out...
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    (Original post by Lusine)
    This is really helpful, thanks. I might ring and find out...
    I'm afraid this isn't true, to do IR modules you need to have AAA at A level regardless of the fact that you are a matriculated arts student, IR have their own entry requirements - to quote this years course catalogue - "Prerequisites: AAAA at Higher or AAA at A level" - so even if you do become a student here, you won't meet the prerequisite to study first year IR which therefore means it looks like your chances are very slim
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    (Original post by Sambo2)
    I'm afraid this isn't true, to do IR modules you need to have AAA at A level regardless of the fact that you are a matriculated arts student, IR have their own entry requirements - to quote this years course catalogue - "Prerequisites: AAAA at Higher or AAA at A level" - so even if you do become a student here, you won't meet the prerequisite to study first year IR which therefore means it looks like your chances are very slim
    Ah, that's a shame, because that's what I would have suggested. I suppose I assumed it was like Glasgow, where as a registered arts student you can do any arts subject. However, I suppose here there's a standard offer across the board - all arts courses ask for the same grades, or at least, I think they do.

    OP -it's possibly worth applying, although bear in mind it's unlikely you'll get an offer as IR at St Andrews is very competitive (I was considering applying there last year). So long as you also apply to a few slightly more realistic options though, you might as well give it a go. After all, you've got nothing to lose.
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    Ah, that's a shame, because that's what I would have suggested. I suppose I assumed it was like Glasgow, where as a registered arts student you can do any arts subject. However, I suppose here there's a standard offer across the board - all arts courses ask for the same grades, or at least, I think they do.

    OP -it's possibly worth applying, although bear in mind it's unlikely you'll get an offer as IR at St Andrews is very competitive (I was considering applying there last year). So long as you also apply to a few slightly more realistic options though, you might as well give it a go. After all, you've got nothing to lose.
    I would disagree, it's probably definetely not worth applying for IR - go for something a bit softer like SD and you maybe then have a chance - or apply for IR somewhere else..
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    (Original post by Sambo2)
    I'm afraid this isn't true, to do IR modules you need to have AAA at A level regardless of the fact that you are a matriculated arts student, IR have their own entry requirements - to quote this years course catalogue - "Prerequisites: AAAA at Higher or AAA at A level" - so even if you do become a student here, you won't meet the prerequisite to study first year IR which therefore means it looks like your chances are very slim
    Unless I apply straight for IR and get in right? In the catalogue it also says that those are for guidance only, and they consider everyone on individual merits, particularly PS...so I have hope.

    Plus SD is not really something I want to do, so I'd rather not apply for it.
 
 
 
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