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    Hi,

    I think it's fair to say, those that were actively gaming at the time will percive 1997-2004 as the real peak of gaming. Especially if you were a PC gamer. This was a time where titles were innovative and unique - Deus Ex, Half-Life 1+2, Fallout 1+2, Operation Flashpoint, System Shock 2, Hitman, Commandoes 1-2, Baldurs Gate 2 etc. The technology was availible and the motivation for developers to really push the boat out started to set in.

    Yet the gaming industry at that point was not commercialised enough, not popular enough to be ran into the generic formulas we see today - captious rehashes that vaugely resemble a 3D hollywood blockbuster film, aptly reflect an investors portfolio. Games today are made for "mass appeal" - made for people who quite plainly have no passion for gaming whatsoever.

    I understand a gaming studio is in essence a business, and it always has been and always will be. However, much like a book, gaming has become a powerful medium for story telling, an artform of it's own and plainly the best faucet of social commentary we have ever had. Enough of this corporate bull consistently chimed out by sellouts. Enough raping of high calibre titles into poor, diluted sequels that trade actual gameplay for console-esque mediocre fails of COD proportions.

    The worst thing that ever happened to gaming was that it made a "success" of itself.
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    What it seems like you're saying is that only hardcore "gamers" should be playing games, not the casual "gamers". Is that right?

    Cos it's *******s.
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    Everything is about money now, just like music. There's no real passion any more.
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    (Original post by OceanInTheSky)
    What it seems like you're saying is that only hardcore "gamers" should be playing games, not the casual "gamers". Is that right?

    Cos it's *******s.
    No he's saying,

    More games are being aimed at the "casual" gamers, and less games for the hardcore gamer. Read the thread before commenting please :/
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      All will be well with the world if Timesplitters 4 ever gets released.
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      Games these days require a lot more time and resources spent on them than in the past. You can risk creating something new aimed at the 'hardcore' market, or you can create a sequel for the casual market.

      Personally I think the best times of gaming has passed. There's still damn good games being released that will go down as classics, but on the whole I this gen isn't as good as previous ones. Or maybe I'm just growing out of it, who knows....
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      Right on. Haha, imagine the outrage if every contemporary game released was like Eve Online, funny stuff.

      Challenge in video games is related to depth and mastery of the mechanics and as our knowledge of the mechanics grows we discover more ways to approach a problem. Once we have sufficient knowledge of the mechanics we soon realise that, actually, the rules of the game allow us to turn difficult situations into manageable ways forward. But that doesn't mean that the situation is going to take no skill.

      Which means that most video games now will base their challenges purely on depth and not execution. There's a common belief between gamers that simple and easy games sell better than challenging ones, this is false. It's a very poor interpretation of the data and statistics we have before us. Here's the real fact; the more approachable a game is the better it sells, but approachable is not the same thing as easy - making games easy is just the simplest, least inventiveness way of making them approachable.

      A good game, the type franchises are built around, starts of easy but then unveils a great deal of depth later in the game because the player has been taught to understand and master the mechanics. Approachability does not prohibit deep, challenging, rewarding gameplay.

      Unfortunately, it would seem that companies are taking the easy way out and using what's known as operant conditioning (giving rewards for easy, simply tasks) which in turn, lowers both the depth and challenge of gaming while giving rewards for not mastering the mechanics.

      It sucks, but what do you expect? The amount of gamers in the world has massively increased due to consoles that are approachable to just about anyone being released.
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      Nostalgia makes everything seem so much better than it is now.
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      Tbh, gaming is too well protected now. Most of the fun of owning a ps2 was the fact that, with a simple piece of hardware, you could play any kind of ps2 game on any disc, free. Sony now bans ps3 users from trying to exploit it. Of course its wrong but c'mon, we all secretly love getting one up on Sony!
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      (Original post by Phalanges)
      Nostalgia makes everything seem so much better than it is now.
      Plain false - I can play Deus Ex right now, it's still as good and engaging as it was all those years ago - despite the epic story in which I know exactly whats coming in every perciveable branch - the solid and timeless gameplay remains. Same goes for Half-Life, Hitman, System Shock 2, Fallouts etc.

      There is a clear distinction of class relating to "modern releases" and those from cited era.
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      Just look what happened to C&C, that was a legend of a game, now look at it.
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      (Original post by Slab'o'Butter)
      Plain false - I can play Deus Ex right now, it's still as good and engaging as it was all those years ago - despite the epic story in which I know exactly whats coming in every perciveable branch - the solid and timeless gameplay remains. Same goes for Half-Life, Hitman, System Shock 2, Fallouts etc.

      There is a clear distinction of class relating to "modern releases" and those from cited era.
      The original Hitman is just terrible compared to it's sequels. Compared to any of 2, Contracts or Blood Money there's no way I'd choose to play it.

      A couple of years ago I decided that new games were crap compared to the ones I grew up with, and bought an N64. And after about a month of playing got bored. The gameplay was still fun, but compared to current titles it was primitive in the extreme and painful to look at. I haven't played on it in about 6 months. If it was a choice, I'd pick the current gen every time.

      Innovation still goes on, and great games still get made. Which games of old do you think Assassin's Creed is like? The simple fact is that time has eroded your memory of the flops and the sell-outs and left only the gems of bygone years in your mind, whereas today you are able to see all of the worst parts as often as the good stuff. This does not mean that yesterday was better, it just means that nostalgia makes it seem so.
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      (Original post by Phalanges)
      Nostalgia makes everything seem so much better than it is now.
      +1 for the Dr Cameron Quote Jennifer Morrison <3
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      It's a game, people like you make gaming look ****. Games are designed so people can enjoy them, they are not designed so people can rage and ***** if they die or don't get 100% on Guitar Hero.

      As soon as you said PC gamer I knew this thread had no hope.
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      Disappointed as to what happened to C&C...
      StarCraft is still good as ever. =]

      I wonder what happen to the Grand Theft Auto series?!
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      (Original post by Phalanges)
      The original Hitman is just terrible compared to it's sequels. Compared to any of 2, Contracts or Blood Money there's no way I'd choose to play it.

      A couple of years ago I decided that new games were crap compared to the ones I grew up with, and bought an N64. And after about a month of playing got bored. The gameplay was still fun, but compared to current titles it was primitive in the extreme and painful to look at. I haven't played on it in about 6 months. If it was a choice, I'd pick the current gen every time.

      Innovation still goes on, and great games still get made. Which games of old do you think Assassin's Creed is like? The simple fact is that time has eroded your memory of the flops and the sell-outs and left only the gems of bygone years in your mind, whereas today you are able to see all of the worst parts as often as the good stuff. This does not mean that yesterday was better, it just means that nostalgia makes it seem so.
      You have cherry picked a single game, By "Hitman" I did indeed mean the series spanning between 2000 - 2004 which I thought was clear as I didn't specify a range as I did with the others. Though I more focused on the game's unique concept than how "Painful it is to look at"....

      Regardless, I have not cited the N64 as remotely the epithany of gaming. N64 was a console that did a lot but nothing in particular.

      You are speaking as if I have recently decided that old games are better than new games. I've been playing PC games since I was 4. The games I have spoke of are not flash in the pans, I have witnessed their impact on gaming as a whole. To speak in popular terms, the mediocre but commercially genius COD would not exist if it weren't for the frontier explored by Half-Life (SP) and it's numerous multiplayer faucets (Team Fortress and Counter Strike)

      It's not nostalgia because I still to this day, despite purchasing (I never pirate games) countless modern releases often find myself returning to core games such as (But by no means limited to) those I have already cited.
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      no matter how old team fortress 2 (pc) gets, it will still be a very popular game

      for me anyway, people might get bored aftr a few years
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      (Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
      Well a lot of aspects of games wouldn't exist if the games that came before did not explore and innovate. That doesn't necessarily make them better. Half-life wouldn't exist if not for the frontiers explored by earlier games. Cars wouldn't exist if not for the invention for the wheel. You wouldn't travel by wheel, would you? The whole point is to copy and improve which games have done.

      Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare wasn't mediocre. It was an innovation in some respects within its own genre and within its own franchise.
      That's a sound argument and I concede to your concept but you can not seriously equate Half-Life, probably the greatest FPS of all time to the wheel as COD to the Car.
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      (Original post by TomH999)
      Just look what happened to C&C, that was a legend of a game, now look at it.
      You mean Command and Conquer?
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      (Original post by BlueGenes)
      Disappointed as to what happened to C&C...
      StarCraft is still good as ever. =]

      I wonder what happen to the Grand Theft Auto series?!
      Yea, I randomly bought starcraft 2 about a month ago, didnt have any expectations but was surprised as to how good it is. much better than C&C anyway. play online?

      as for GTA, i heard somewhere that theres guna be a 2012-2013 realease date for that. far off but the new one there bringing out, LA Noire, looks quite interesting.
     
     
     
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