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    Why don't we utilise the long-term unemployed (those who are reasonably able to carry out physical tasks) to carry out public-service duties?

    Helping clear the recent snow and ice is one possibility.

    They wouldn't be physically forced to do this, but if they refused then it would obviously affect their state handouts.

    And, you would find ways of policing it - perhaps by having groups headed by a team leader go out, with some form of registration.
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    job seekers allowance means they are looking for work, you cant have them doing road work.


    Ireland had this system but it was voluntary.

    a better policy is to pay everyone in britain a sum of money regardless of age gender or income. This would encourage the unemployed to find work as it would be very much in their interest, the money would be funded by the government but not through extra taxation, the extra money per person would be spent in shops etc and the money would trickle back into the governments hands just like with minimum wage.

    it would be a true minimum wage but with the added advantage of it encouraging everyone to work.
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    They should be thrown into gulags. :devil:
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    Because this isn't the 19th century and the days of workhouses are long gone.
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    Why not sack soldiers then make them fight for £60 a week JSA?
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    (Original post by robin22391)
    job seekers allowance means they are looking for work, you cant have them doing road work.


    Ireland had this system but it was voluntary.

    a better policy is to pay everyone in britain a sum of money regardless of age gender or income. This would encourage the unemployed to find work as it would be very much in their interest, the money would be funded by the government but not through extra taxation, the extra money per person would be spent in shops etc and the money would trickle back into the governments hands just like with minimum wage.

    it would be a true minimum wage but with the added advantage of it encouraging everyone to work.

    They do this in Kuwait. As a result no kuwaiti's work regular jobs like mcdonalds or plumbers etc. They import virtual slave labour from Egypt and the Phillipines etc.

    What this country needs (and a socialist agreed with me yesterday) is a system in which there IS a safety net, but that safety net must never make it financially advantageous to not work instead of working. Something Beveridge would have agreed with I have no doubt.
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    (Original post by Margaret Thatcher)
    Why don't we utilise the long-term unemployed (those who are reasonably able to carry out physical tasks) to carry out public-service duties?

    Helping clear the recent snow and ice is one possibility.

    They wouldn't be physically forced to do this, but if they refused then it would obviously affect their state handouts.

    And, you would find ways of policing it - perhaps by having groups headed by a team leader go out, with some form of registration.

    So you want to replace skilled labour with unskilled labour working at subsistence rates and have press-gangs roming the streets?
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    (Original post by ChemistBoy)
    So you want to replace skilled labour with unskilled labour working at subsistence rates and have press-gangs roming the streets?
    Hunny, you don't need to be 'skilled' to shovel snow.
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    Are the unemployed not deserving of "real change"? :rolleyes:
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    Is this not similar to the idea already proposed by the government to make the unemployed do "voluntary" work, or they might lose their benefit?
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Because this isn't the 19th century and the days of workhouses are long gone.
    So how do you propose to deal with the 2.1 million people who are unemployed yet not even looking for work?
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    (Original post by Huskaris)
    They do this in Kuwait. As a result no kuwaiti's work regular jobs like mcdonalds or plumbers etc. They import virtual slave labour from Egypt and the Phillipines etc.

    What this country needs (and a socialist agreed with me yesterday) is a system in which there IS a safety net, but that safety net must never make it financially advantageous to not work instead of working. Something Beveridge would have agreed with I have no doubt.
    yes a guaranteed wage for everyone, that they may live comfortably but that it would be crazy not to find a job because of the extra money you would be getting,

    so if it is possible to live off of say 6000 pounds then that would be the minimum salary every citizen gets per year, but if you work you will get say 15000 extra.

    you would be crazy not to work and this system would promote equality.

    i do believe however that this country would need a new house building plan by the government, it is about time that they made big decisions that did not involve
    saving very rich bond owners their money.
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    So you plan is to sack current workers (thus creating more unemployed) and using the unemployed to do their jobs?
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    (Original post by robin22391)
    yes a guaranteed wage for everyone, that they may live comfortably but that it would be crazy not to find a job because of the extra money you would be getting,

    so if it is possible to live off of say 6000 pounds then that would be the minimum salary every citizen gets per year, but if you work you will get say 15000 extra.

    you would be crazy not to work and this system would promote equality.

    i do believe however that this country would need a new house building plan by the government, it is about time that they made big decisions that did not involve
    saving very rich bond owners their money.
    Well no, because a lot of people are fundamentally lazy and if they can live doing nothing, they will.
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    It's already somebodys job to clear snow.
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    In reality to solve the problem at its cause we would need to really concentrate on ignoring those monopoly generals, and instead funding this country to move into a type 1 civilisation as the physicists say.

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    (Original post by beesbees)
    Well no, because a lot of people are fundamentally lazy and if they can live doing nothing, they will.


    well they can if they want im not complaining, i get my guaranteed wage too its not like im not scrounging just like them, its just i really want more money to buy nice cars and other stuff.

    people want money and this is a really big incentive to get a job.

    rather than right now where getting a job can make you worse off...you see?

    this method is a very liberty based one rather than forced labour which is far too authoritarian and old fashioned, you would think we can move onto a new way of thinking after 100 years or so.
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    better yet businesses could provide jobs.....
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    (Original post by robin22391)
    job seekers allowance means they are looking for work, you cant have them doing road work.


    Ireland had this system but it was voluntary.

    a better policy is to pay everyone in britain a sum of money regardless of age gender or income. This would encourage the unemployed to find work as it would be very much in their interest, the money would be funded by the government but not through extra taxation, the extra money per person would be spent in shops etc and the money would trickle back into the governments hands just like with minimum wage.

    it would be a true minimum wage but with the added advantage of it encouraging everyone to work.
    So, your solution is that the government gives everybody some money (which they apparently create from thin air) which is then spent in shops which then trickles back to the government (by way of VAT receipts & CG tax I assume)?

    What an extraordinary notion!

    "Stranger and stranger" said Alice.
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    (Original post by Jacktri)
    better yet businesses could provide jobs.....
    But only if there is enough demand in the economy to make those jobs productive.
 
 
 
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