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    It's not only that the tuition fees are being raised to £9000, but teaching budgets are being cut by 40%, and research budgets are also being cut significantly. Most recieving an 80% cut, with some even getting a complete cut in funding.

    40% cuts in teaching budget. And that's in science and maths. The arts and humanities are likely to have even further cuts.

    Research Budget Cuts.



    The tuition fees aren't even going to cover that. So not only are you going to be paying a **** load of cash, you're not even going to be getting your money's worth.

    The UK now has the most expensive public education in the world. There's no doubt that students will start looking overseas. Myself included, as I don't plan on doing my postgraduate at an underfunded department.

    The cuts in teaching and research budgets are the reason tuition fees are being tripled. Basically, the Conservatives think that universities need to be more self sufficient, and need to fund themselves by charging students at such rates. So in effect, he wants higher education in this country to become commercialised.

    Under the current proposed system, the UK universities are going to be underfunded. If we look at the USA, and take Harvard as an example of a private educational institution (who charge $35,000 (£22,000)), they still receive over $30 billion (£19 billion) worth of endowment from the government. That's astronomical compared to the peanuts our universities get (apart from a few like Oxford (£3 billion), Cambridge (£6 billion), Imperial (£250 million), etc). So as a result, they have the best facilities and are able to attract the top academic scholars in the world.

    It's not just Harvard either. If we take a US university, say a public one like Michigan. They charge about $6000 (£3800) for tuition, yet they receive an endowment from the government of $6.6 billion (£4.2 billion). Now let's compare it with a UK counterpart, say the University of Warwick. They'll now charge £9000 for tuition, and (before the cuts) they get £4.9 million worth of endowment from the government.

    So £4.2 billion compared to £4.9 million. And we pay three times as much for it. What a complete joke.

    Michigan has 42,000 students. Warwick has 21,000 students.

    Michigan
    66000000000/42000 = £1,571,429.

    Warwick
    49000000/21000 = £2,333.
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    I would be happy to pay more for my education if all the money was actually going to the university. Yet, for some reason, we can't despite the fact that everywhere else is pouring money into higher education.
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    :rolf: at you saying the University of Michigan gets £1.5 million in funding from the government per student. Something must be wrong somewhere in there.

    EDIT: Oh and you've used the dollar sum in the division for Michigan at the bottom. So you say $6.6bn/42000 = £1.5M.
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    Wow.
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    (Original post by findmygoose?)
    wow.
    OMG you found me!!!
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    (Original post by davidmarsh01)
    :rolf: at you saying the University of Michigan gets £1.5 million in funding from the government per student. Something must be wrong somewhere in there.

    EDIT: Oh and you've used the dollar sum in the division for Michigan at the bottom. So you say $6.6bn/42000 = £1.5M.
    Hahahahahahahahahaha.

    Let's all make up figures!

    Did you know that the co-alition is giving everyone 2 million pounds??? lalalalala
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    NOOOO!!!! How the **** did you get Unbanned, RM is the worst kind of troll (Aberdeen sucks)
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    (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
    It's not only that the tuition fees are being raised to £9000, but teaching budgets are being cut by 40%, and research budgets are also being cut significantly. Most recieving an 80% cut, with some even getting a complete cut in funding.

    40% cuts in teaching budget. And that's in science and maths. The arts and humanities are likely to have even further cuts.

    Research Budget Cuts.



    The tuition fees aren't even going to cover that. So not only are you going to be paying a **** load of cash, you're not even going to be getting your money's worth.

    The UK now has the most expensive public education in the world. There's no doubt that students will start looking overseas. Myself included, as I don't plan on doing my postgraduate at an underfunded department.

    The cuts in teaching and research budgets are the reason tuition fees are being tripled. Basically, the Conservatives think that universities need to be more self sufficient, and need to fund themselves by charging students at such rates. So in effect, he wants higher education in this country to become commercialised.

    Under the current proposed system, the UK universities are going to be underfunded. If we look at the USA, and take Harvard as an example of a private educational institution (who charge $35,000 (£22,000)), they still receive over $30 billion (£19 billion) worth of endowment from the government. That's astronomical compared to the peanuts our universities get (apart from a few like Oxford (£3 billion), Cambridge (£6 billion), Imperial (£250 million), etc). So as a result, they have the best facilities and are able to attract the top academic scholars in the world.

    It's not just Harvard either. If we take a US university, say a public one like Michigan. They charge about $6000 (£3800) for tuition, yet they receive an endowment from the government of $6.6 billion (£4.2 billion). Now let's compare it with a UK counterpart, say the University of Warwick. They'll now charge £9000 for tuition, and (before the cuts) they get £4.9 million worth of endowment from the government.

    So £4.2 billion compared to £4.9 million. And we pay three times as much for it. What a complete joke.

    Michigan has 42,000 students. Warwick has 21,000 students.

    Michigan
    66000000000/42000 = £1,571,429.

    Warwick
    49000000/21000 = £2,333.
    Michigan students pay fees of 40,000 dollars a year UPFRONT. I have no ****ing idea where's you're getting 3000 from.

    (Original post by wikipedia)
    Out-of-state undergraduate students pay between US $36,001.38 and $43,063.38 annually for tuition alone while in-state undergraduate students paid between US $11,837.38 and $16,363.38 annually.
    Stop ****ing whining. Do you want to do that? The government gives you a low interest loan that you don't even have to pay back till you earn a good wage. It might be better to compare to EU universities?

    I think you're confusing your figures. Michigan makes lots of it's money from endowments; http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu. Only 22% of it's budget is state subsidised.

    And I call bull****, also, on Waricks spending you've given. Even Wikipedia states;

    Total University Income: £240.4 million
    HEFCE Grants: £72 million
    Tuition Fees: £64.3 million
    Research Grants and Contracts: £70 million
    £77.6 million of the University's total income is currently derived from "earning" activities such as self-financing short courses, research contracts, management training centres, vacation conferences, retail and catering.
    Which is 140 million in grants. In dollars that's currently over 220million USD, which isn't terrible when you consider we're a much small nation than the US economically. State support for Michigan University 07-8 (http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu/budget/understanding.html) was 320 million dollars. That's really comparable if they have double the amount of students.

    So by my sums....

    Michigan
    320mil/42000 = $7619 per head

    Warwick
    220mil/21000 = $10,476 per head

    So no dice for you today. Why did you make up a lot of figures? This is TSR. People check this ****. :confused:
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    The fees were increased because of the decrease in government funding for teaching. Therefore the funding source for teaching now comes from the rise in fees and there has not been any significant change or reduction!

    What do you think the fee increase was for? So lectures could buy more ale? I think not!
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    (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
    If we look at the USA, and take Harvard as an example of a private educational institution (who charge $35,000 (£22,000)), they still receive over $30 billion (£19 billion) worth of endowment from the government. That's astronomical compared to the peanuts our universities get (apart from a few like Oxford (£3 billion), Cambridge (£6 billion), Imperial (£250 million), etc). So as a result, they have the best facilities and are able to attract the top academic scholars in the world.
    That's not what an endowment is.

    Harvard is a private university. It doesn't receive any money from the government. That endowment is made up of donations from charitable institutions and individuals.

    From Wikipedia:

    In the United States, the endowment is often integral to the financial health of private educational institutions, whereas public institutions are often funded partially or fully by state or local governments. Often alumni of the institution will contribute the bulk of capital to the endowment. By contrast, universities in the United Kingdom are frequently public rather than private institutions. There is therefore less of an endowment funding culture, with financial figures generally much lower. Endowment funds have also been created to support public secondary and elementary school districts in several states in the US.
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    I'm confused as to where the students money goes already, and that's a £3000 p/a. I was in classes 3-4 hours per week, with the fees at 9k that means they cost like £150 per hour. 20 students per tutorial, that's 3k per class, when half the time the lecturers pay barely tops 20k. They'd be breaking even on the first day of teaching...
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    (Original post by AskMeAnything)
    Michigan students pay fees of 40,000 dollars a year UPFRONT. I have no ****ing idea where's you're getting 3000 from.



    Stop ****ing whining. Do you want to do that? The government gives you a low interest loan that you don't even have to pay back till you earn a good wage. It might be better to compare to EU universities?

    I think you're confusing your figures. Michigan makes lots of it's money from endowments; http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu. Only 22% of it's budget is state subsidised.

    And I call bull****, also, on Waricks spending you've given. Even Wikipedia states;



    Which is 140 million in grants. In dollars that's currently over 220million USD, which isn't terrible when you consider we're a much small nation than the US economically. State support for Michigan University 07-8 (http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu/budget/understanding.html) was 320 million dollars. That's really comparable if they have double the amount of students.

    So by my sums....

    Michigan
    320mil/42000 = $7619 per head

    Warwick
    220mil/21000 = $10,476 per head

    So no dice for you today. Why did you make up a lot of figures? This is TSR. People check this ****. :confused:
    Absolutely ****ing owned :cool:
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    (Original post by AskMeAnything)
    Michigan students pay fees of 40,000 dollars a year UPFRONT. I have no ****ing idea where's you're getting 3000 from.



    Stop ****ing whining. Do you want to do that? The government gives you a low interest loan that you don't even have to pay back till you earn a good wage. It might be better to compare to EU universities?

    I think you're confusing your figures. Michigan makes lots of it's money from endowments; http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu. Only 22% of it's budget is state subsidised.

    And I call bull****, also, on Waricks spending you've given. Even Wikipedia states;



    Which is 140 million in grants. In dollars that's currently over 220million USD, which isn't terrible when you consider we're a much small nation than the US economically. State support for Michigan University 07-8 (http://www.vpcomm.umich.edu/budget/understanding.html) was 320 million dollars. That's really comparable if they have double the amount of students.

    So by my sums....

    Michigan
    320mil/42000 = $7619 per head

    Warwick
    220mil/21000 = $10,476 per head

    So no dice for you today. Why did you make up a lot of figures? This is TSR. People check this ****. :confused:
    This guy just pimped your figures OP.
 
 
 
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