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    I've just recently found out that homosexuality was very much advocated in Ancient Greece and that the Spartans practised homosexual acts even if they weren't gay (it was more male-boding)

    Now I was thinking, why has this changed? Back then the men were real men, hardened warriors and were man enough to engage in coitus with a man and still be regarded a straight man who just helped lift the spirits of his friends.

    Surely they were better warriors because of it? shall we take a lesson from them?
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    Sure, do you want it up the ass? Bromance FTW :ahee:
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    (Original post by aws)
    I've just recently found out that homosexuality was very much advocated in Ancient Greece and that the Spartans practised homosexual acts even if they weren't gay (it was more male-boding)

    Now I was thinking, why has this changed? Back then the men were real men, hardened warriors and were man enough to engage in coitus with a man and still be regarded a straight man who just helped lift the spirits of his friends.
    Because that is before the Bible comes in... that bloody book
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    (Original post by ussumane)
    Sure, do you want it up the ass? Bromance FTW :ahee:
    I don't want to be in the army but I should expand.

    The Spartans were more what we would call bi-sexual. They married women, but also had male friends who they bonded with.

    I mean being raised from 6 onwards for 10-20 years with men only and homosexuality was approved of.

    Look how amazing they were.
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    (Original post by manthew)
    Because that is before the Bible comes in... that bloody book
    you're right. The Babylons too were a-ok with gays.
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    (Original post by aws)
    I don't want to be in the army but I should expand.

    The Spartans were more what we would call bi-sexual. They married women, but also had male friends who they bonded with.

    I mean being raised from 6 onwards for 10-20 years with men only and homosexuality was approved of.

    Look how amazing they were.
    Awhile I like the way you think, I'm not ready to "bond" with a male. And don't think I will ever be

    Have some +rep anyways (reached limit, will give you some tomorrow :ninja:)
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    (Original post by aws)
    I've just recently found out that homosexuality was very much advocated in Ancient Greece and that the Spartans practised homosexual acts even if they weren't gay (it was more male-boding)

    Now I was thinking, why has this changed? Back then the men were real men, hardened warriors and were man enough to engage in coitus with a man and still be regarded a straight man who just helped lift the spirits of his friends.

    Surely they were better warriors because of it? shall we take a lesson from them?
    I found this on google answers and thought he or she explained it very well

    The Spartans weren't gay in the sense that we think of it. It was not uncommon in many Greek City States, and in Sparta in particular, for an adult male or warrior to have a younger "companion". The relationship was not just sexual, though it did involve that. It was a mentoring relationship, with the older man expected to provide a role model and see to the younger man's education in how to be a good citizen. Certainly, with the odd situation of fairly late marriages with Spartan men, that there were probably a fair number of gay relationships. The ancient Greeks tended to look at homosexuality differently than we do today. One school of thought is that since women were so inferior, it was impossible for a man to truly love a woman. Thus the only "true love" a man could have would be for another man. But given the fact that marriages were still the norm, it's unlikely that homosexuality was the rule rather than the exception in sexual relationships.
    On a side note, look up the Theban Sacred Band. This was a group of elite warriors, 150 pairs of men. The idea behind the Band was that a soldier would fight better if his lover was at his side. Again, this was an unusual arrangement even for the times.
    Source - click here.
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    (Original post by Pop_tart)
    I found this on google answers and thought he or she explained it very well

    The Spartans weren't gay in the sense that we think of it. It was not uncommon in many Greek City States, and in Sparta in particular, for an adult male or warrior to have a younger "companion". The relationship was not just sexual, though it did involve that. It was a mentoring relationship, with the older man expected to provide a role model and see to the younger man's education in how to be a good citizen. Certainly, with the odd situation of fairly late marriages with Spartan men, that there were probably a fair number of gay relationships. The ancient Greeks tended to look at homosexuality differently than we do today. One school of thought is that since women were so inferior, it was impossible for a man to truly love a woman. Thus the only "true love" a man could have would be for another man. But given the fact that marriages were still the norm, it's unlikely that homosexuality was the rule rather than the exception in sexual relationships.
    On a side note, look up the Theban Sacred Band. This was a group of elite warriors, 150 pairs of men. The idea behind the Band was that a soldier would fight better if his lover was at his side. Again, this was an unusual arrangement even for the times.
    Source - click here.
    thanks for providing that
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    (Original post by ussumane)
    Awhile I like the way you think, I'm not ready to "bond" with a male. And don't think I will ever be

    Have some +rep anyways (reached limit, will give you some tomorrow :ninja:)
    thanks buddy
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    (Original post by aws)
    I've just recently found out that homosexuality was very much advocated in Ancient Greece and that the Spartans practised homosexual acts even if they weren't gay (it was more male-boding)

    Now I was thinking, why has this changed? Back then the men were real men, hardened warriors and were man enough to engage in coitus with a man and still be regarded a straight man who just helped lift the spirits of his friends.

    Surely they were better warriors because of it? shall we take a lesson from them?
    +rep by the way.

    It's extremely ifficult to explain why and how cultural opinions change. Obviously the Greeks and Romans had a completely different view of homosexuality, and I think that the rise of Christianity was somewhat responsible for the change in opinion of homosexuality, but we can't say for sure how significant a contribution this made.
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    Haha you big bunch of gays, if you want to bum each other in the trenches join the french army, I mean seriously wtf? I'm not a homophobe but gays have no place in the british army! that's just wrong.

    Edit: Haha I take it's gay people negging me here or girls who believe I am being unfair. Oh well.
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    The British Army does not need to copy the Spartans. For a start, we are more successful than they've ever been.
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    (Original post by Pop_tart)
    since women were so inferior, it was impossible for a man to truly love a woman.
    Ahww poor Spartan ladies

    They should have got physical with each other in revenge.
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    (Original post by Boobies.)
    Ahww poor Spartan ladies

    They should have got physical with each other in revenge.
    they did. but not in revenge I don't think based on what I've read

    it was common place for females to have a female lover.

    how things have moved
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    Lol this thread is so gay.
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    (Original post by aws)
    they did. but not in revenge I don't think based on what I've read

    it was common place for females to have a female lover.

    how things have moved
    This society sounds awesome :awesome:
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    (Original post by mirin?)
    The British Army does not need to copy the Spartans. For a start, we are more successful than they've ever been.
    Are you seriously comparing ancient warfare and modern warfare? I'm sure if the Spartans had access to the technological advancements the British Army uses today then they would be just as successful if not more.
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    (Original post by TheQuickestSilver)
    Haha you big bunch of gays, if you want to bum each other in the trenches join the french army, I mean seriously wtf? I'm not a homophobe but gays have no place in the british army! that's just wrong.
    Contradiction surely. Your attitude is disgusting.
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    Coitus? Who speaks like that? Are you called Sheldon?
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    Somebody forward this thread to John McCain. He'd have a few words to say.
 
 
 
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