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Reply 200
Original post by Jimbo1234
Well short term memory is very debatable as it may last as long as a week or a bit longer (basic revision being the prime example).
As for conversing with guys and girls, I always give everyone an equal chance, however more often then not I have found girls to be less informed and lacking general knowledge.

As for the girl and the 9/11 post, I did not post the full conversation to save her the embarrassment of looking a little silly. But in the conversation, lets just say there where many 'maybe's, I dunno' from her.


I'm sorry, but I can say with absolute confidence that you are definitely wrong. That's why patients who lose their ability to transfer short term memories into long term ones for any reason are unable to remember anything for more than approximately seven seconds.

Information passed into the long term memory can sometimes be lost after a short period like a week because, whilst it is capable of holding information for a lifetime, it doesn't always hold information for a long time if it hasn't been encoded securely enough.

It certainly isn't "debatable".

We could argue about this all day, but the fact is you can't make a statement about an entire population purely based on your encounters and a few studies you've found on the internet. Everyone knows that studies of this kind do not prove things, they offer support for things. That's why it takes loads of studies by different researchers on the same subject for something to become an accepted theory.
Reply 201
Original post by Holly Hiskey
I thought there was a paragraph talking about how the differences in questions could have made a difference, saying that women score higher in certain sections, and men score higher in others.


This is true. It says that women score higher in "culture"-related questions and in "health"-related questions, for instance. However, if we average over all fields that has been asked, it is found that women answer less questions correctly than men. Most importantly, in those questions which may be considered important for a functioning democracy women do not do well.

However, personally, I feel that arguing about whether this is the case or not is unbelievably uninteresting. It would be much more interesting to look into the determinants of this pattern (or whether this is also true in other countries than Germany). But here it seems a battle of the sexes is played instead. A pity, in my opinion, since such a discussion could actually yield interesting insights, i.e. more elaborate explanations for such statistical findings.
Absurd claim. Absolute rot.

General knowledge can be elicited through simply living the life. Absorbed through even from the trivial, menial, mundane things we must complete in our lives. From this fact, we can make the deduction that the average male or female incompetent (and note, I say incompetent, as the folk who are not knowledge-driven have only their journey through life to garner such knowledge, which is, as I said, trivial-- general...) will know precisely the same amount, be it large or miniscule.

Now, to consider the educated amongst us. That's different. The educated have a much higher yearning for facts, literature, philosophy, and the pursuit of education itself. Albeit, in varying degrees... though it is safe to say that the educated person will have a much larger vessel of knowledge to fish in, than that of the layman.

It's impossible to deduce, at least in terms of people of high, or extraordinarily high intelligence-- who is the cleverer bloke or woman. There are smart men; there are smart women. Just as there are considerably smarter men, and considerably smarter women.

However, we can argue that experience, whether self-enacted or inspired (or insisted upon, maybe) that knowledge from such experiences will indeed take grasp of a broader scope of learnedness, as opposed to the average man or woman sitting on their backside, watching soap-operas and listening to uninspiring examples of pop-culture.

"All our knowledge has its origins in our perceptions." - Da Vinci

Pointless thread is pointless.
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Original post by (ij)
This is true. It says that women score higher in "culture"-related questions and in "health"-related questions, for instance. However, if we average over all fields that has been asked, it is found that women answer less questions correctly than men. Most importantly, in those questions which may be considered important for a functioning democracy women do not do well.

However, personally, I feel that arguing about whether this is the case or not is unbelievably uninteresting. It would be much more interesting to look into the determinants of this pattern (or whether this is also true in other countries than Germany). But here it seems a battle of the sexes is played instead. A pity, in my opinion, since such a discussion could actually yield interesting insights, i.e. more elaborate explanations for such statistical findings.


You make a good point, and if the OP hadn't been so obnoxious it possibly could have been. However, few people respond well to an attack on their gender haha
Reply 204
erm... thought I edited it. Well if you read it properly,I specifically did not refer to 'all girls' on TSR :tongue:
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Reply 205
Original post by Jimbo1234
Well the girl from TSR was really the icing on the cake as only a day or two before that some girls I knew did not know where Austria, Alaska, Vietnam, Greece or pretty much any country was, and a few weeks prior some girl and her friend has no idea about pretty much anything, I quote " I'm not good at reading proper clocks"......That's right, proper clocks.:redface:


Yup! thats it, made up my mind that you sir are the stereotypical man of the 18th/19th century. Do you really believe that because of your impressions on them, all other girls are equally the same? I must warn you that you are in for a shocker when you speak to academically motivated women, mostly found at universities etc
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Reply 206
Original post by Jimbo1234
(a generalisation of course)


And since all generalisations ignore diversity, variations and have nothing to do with the truth they must be not be made in the first place.
Reply 207
Original post by oxy402
And since all generalisations ignore diversity, variations and have nothing to do with the truth they must be not be made in the first place.


Go read the proof genius. :rolleyes:


Original post by mauvetard
Yup! thats it, made up my mind that you sir are the stereotypical man of the 18th/19th century. Do you really believe that because of your impressions on them, all other girls are equally the same? I must warn you that you are in for a shocker when you speak to academically motivated women, mostly found at universities etc


Yet some of these women at uni do not know where Austria is, what the Vietnam war was etc. Again, learn to read the proof.

Original post by Jenny_C
I'm sorry, but I can say with absolute confidence that you are definitely wrong. That's why patients who lose their ability to transfer short term memories into long term ones for any reason are unable to remember anything for more than approximately seven seconds.

Information passed into the long term memory can sometimes be lost after a short period like a week because, whilst it is capable of holding information for a lifetime, it doesn't always hold information for a long time if it hasn't been encoded securely enough.

It certainly isn't "debatable".

We could argue about this all day, but the fact is you can't make a statement about an entire population purely based on your encounters and a few studies you've found on the internet. Everyone knows that studies of this kind do not prove things, they offer support for things. That's why it takes loads of studies by different researchers on the same subject for something to become an accepted theory.


This has what to do with the question at hand again?


Original post by philistine
Absurd claim. Absolute rot.

General knowledge can be elicited through simply living the life. Absorbed through even from the trivial, menial, mundane things we must complete in our lives. From this fact, we can make the deduction that the average male or female incompetent (and note, I say incompetent, as the folk who are not knowledge-driven have only their journey through life to garner such knowledge, which is, as I said, trivial-- general...) will know precisely the same amount, be it large or miniscule.

Now, to consider the educated amongst us. That's different. The educated have a much higher yearning for facts, literature, philosophy, and the pursuit of education itself. Albeit, in varying degrees... though it is safe to say that the educated person will have a much larger vessel of knowledge to fish in, than that of the layman.

It's impossible to deduce, at least in terms of people of high, or extraordinarily high intelligence-- who is the cleverer bloke or woman. There are smart men; there are smart women. Just as there are considerably smarter men, and considerably smarter women.

However, we can argue that experience, whether self-enacted or inspired (or insisted upon, maybe) that knowledge from such experiences will indeed take grasp of a broader scope of learnedness, as opposed to the average man or woman sitting on their backside, watching soap-operas and listening to uninspiring examples of pop-culture.

"All our knowledge has its origins in our perceptions." - Da Vinci

Pointless thread is pointless.


Pro-tip : Finish reading the OP as it is not so much a claim as it is a very possible fact.
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Reply 208
Original post by Jimbo1234
Go read the proof genius. :rolleyes:


The 'proof' is:

a, In German.
b, From a ****ing magazine which no one has ever heard of.
c, from an author whose credentials are not mentioned. its just a name.

That is not proof. That is bull ****.
Reply 209
Original post by Jimbo1234
Go read the proof genius. :rolleyes:




Yet some of these women at uni do not know where Austria is, what the Vietnam war was etc. Again, learn to read the proof.



This has what to do with the question at hand again?




Pro-tip : Finish reading the OP as it is not so much a claim as it is a very possible fact.


Erm, I think oxy has made it clear. No need to be repetitive.
Reply 210
Original post by oxy402
The 'proof' is:

a, In German.
b, From a ****ing magazine which no one has ever heard of.
c, from an author whose credentials are not mentioned. its just a name.

That is not proof. That is bull ****.

Original post by mauvetard
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Ah bless, learn to use Chrome which auto translates.
It is also amazing how if you can't read it you have come to those conclusions because:
- the research was done by a creditable Professor and the paper was published :rolleyes:
Reply 211
Original post by Jimbo1234
Ah bless, learn to use Chrome which auto translates.
It is also amazing how if you can't read it you have come to those conclusions because:
- the research was done by a creditable Professor and the paper was published :rolleyes:


Some credible professors also say that Global warming is a myth and that 9/11 was an inside job.
No, girls probably just aren't gearing themselves up to be a panellist on QI.
Reply 213
Original post by oxy402
Some credible professors also say that Global warming is a myth and that 9/11 was an inside job.


....no they don't. Those are professors who got their degree from the internet and have never had anything published, unlike the prof. in question.:rolleyes:
Reply 214
Original post by Jimbo1234

This has what to do with the question at hand again?


I'm just displaying the lack of general knowledge that you, a guy, possess outside of world war two and 9/11.

It would seem your general knowledge is rather specific.

:O
Reply 215
Original post by oxy402
The 'proof' is:

a, In German.
b, From a ****ing magazine which no one has ever heard of.
c, from an author whose credentials are not mentioned. its just a name.

That is not proof. That is bull ****.


It is true that this is not strictly a proof in a mathematical sense. It is what may be called empirical evidence, conditional on a set of factors (such as samples etc.).

It is, however, not bull****. Bull**** is difficult to write on, so the authors chose paper instead. So, strictly speaking its written words on paper. Let me shed some light on your points:

a. German is a nice language. It is not the fault of Germany's researcher that the so-highly praised UK institutions can't come up with interesting research in education (other than "how can we change the syllabus so that the schools costs even less here"). The book itself can be bought here: http://www.amazon.de/Allgemeinbildung-Deutschland-Erkenntnisse-aus-SPIEGEL-Studentenpisa-Test/dp/3531172182

b. The Spiegel is the German counterpart to the Guardian. Calling this a "***ing" magazine does not necessarily contribute to your reputation. If you have never heard of it before, how can you say that this is a "***ing magazine no one has ever heard of before"?

c. The author of the article is a journalist. If you follow the link above, you can actually look into the book and you will see, unsurprisingly, that there is a whole bunch of authors of different chapters of the book who made the actual work. Please feel free to google them and verify their credentials. I sincerely doubt that these can in any way be considered of low quality.
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Reply 216
Original post by Jenny_C
I'm just displaying the lack of general knowledge that you, a guy, possess outside of world war two and 9/11.

It would seem your general knowledge is rather specific.

:O


Not really, especially when we look at the degree you are doing.......:rolleyes:
I this statement says more about the type of girls you choose to socialise with...
Reply 218
I find that guys tend to go after air headed bimbos, somehow end up surprised at their lack of intelligence and saturating TSR with misogynistic posts generalizing all females.
Reply 219
Original post by Jimbo1234
Not really, especially when we look at the degree you are doing.......:rolleyes:


You're right, I guess England's population doesn't have any issues with mental health. I apologise for wanting to do something useful with my life.

Besides, your responses haven't really addressed anything I've said, so excuse me if I don't hold much respect for you.

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