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There are no pi bonds in SiO2 structure. It's simply that the bonding average is weaker than in diamond.
check out the structure here
Reply 2
No way...There're no Pi bonds? What about the double bonds which exists between S & O??? :eek:

& why're there weak intramolecular forces?
Evidence 1- if you look at the structure you will see that each Si atom is in a tetrahedral orientation with respect to the oxygen atoms showing the bonding to be sp3 hybridised. i.e. no pi bonds

Evidence 2- if oxygen were to form a double bond with one of the silicon atoms it would have to form three bonds in total - it cannot do this

Evidence 3 - the Si-O-Si bond angle suggests sp3 hybridisation of the oxygen electrons i.e. no pi bonds.

Evidence 4 - SiO2 does not conduct electricity therefore it cannot have conjugated pi bonds.

There are no weak intramolecular forces for the simple reason that they are all covalent bonds. It's a giant molecule.

Did you have a look at the structure on the link I sent?
Reply 4
charco
Evidence 1- if you look at the structure you will see that each Si atom is in a tetrahedral orientation with respect to the oxygen atoms showing the bonding to be sp3 hybridised. i.e. no pi bonds

Evidence 2- if oxygen were to form a double bond with one of the silicon atoms it would have to form three bonds in total - it cannot do this

Evidence 3 - the Si-O-Si bond angle suggests sp3 hybridisation of the oxygen electrons i.e. no pi bonds.

Evidence 4 - SiO2 does not conduct electricity therefore it cannot have conjugated pi bonds.

There are no weak intramolecular forces for the simple reason that they are all covalent bonds. It's a giant molecule.

Did you have a look at the structure on the link I sent?

Hello,

Thanks for ur reply...
The thing I looked up in my textbook & saw that Silicon forms two double onds with two oxygens....rendering the rest of the 2 oxygens with negative charges...Yeah I saw the pic :smile:
So if silicon forms Pi bonds, then it must have weka intramolecular forces right? coz the electrons in pi bonds aren't localised...:confused:
You're saying weak bonds exits as of covalence character, but Diamond also has covalent bonds...
Silicon DOES NOT form pi bonds in silicon dioxide.

It does not have weak bonds it has strong bonds (just a little less strong than carbon in diamond) - all the bonding is covalent sigma, direct orbital overlap.

Perhaps you are getting confused with silicates???

These have the SiO4(2-) ion - but they are not silicon dioxide.
Reply 6
charco
Silicon DOES NOT form pi bonds in silicon dioxide.

It does not have weak bonds it has strong bonds (just a little less strong than carbon in diamond) - all the bonding is covalent sigma, direct orbital overlap.

Perhaps you are getting confused with silicates???

These have the SiO4(2-) ion - but they are not silicon dioxide.

Hi :frown:

Thanks fr the reply...
Yeah I guess Im confused abt SiO & silicates...
Whats the difference b/w them?

OK, abt the weak intramolecular forces...the question is that WHY does silicon oxide have weak intramolecular forces?? Why "just a little less strong bonds than Diamond"?
What my teacher said was that Silicon is a bigger atom as compared to carbon...so to melt/boil a silicon compound, less energy is required as compared to Diamond which encompasses Carbon atoms...as C is above Silicon in Group 4...
Reply 7
since you are talking about boiling point, the strength of the bonds is not quite all the issue at stake. as in the gaseous state you will not have broken all of the Si-O bonds, it will stay bonded together as O=Si=O as a discret molecule so there is no net breaking or making of bonds.

Diamond on the other hand will have to be atomised in order for it to 'boil' or sublime as i think it would, and there you would have to break four C-C bonds which has a correspondingly high price to pey in terms of energy for each atom.

thus the boiling point of diamond is higher.
Your logic is flawed.

What makes you think that carbon has to be atomised to boil? why can't it vaporise as C2 or C4 or buckyballs or nanotubes or one of the other myriad forms of carbon?
Reply 9
Whats going on here? :confused:
Reply 10
charco
Your logic is flawed.

What makes you think that carbon has to be atomised to boil? why can't it vaporise as C2 or C4 or buckyballs or nanotubes or one of the other myriad forms of carbon?


this is true, but in buckyballs etc there have to be quite specific comditions for them to form, otherwise they would have been noticed a lot earlier. if it is a vapour it wont be in very large clumps and so it stands to reson that some of the bonds are likely to have to be broken whereas SiO2 can exist as a single molecule where no net bondiong change is noticed.

large clumps of carbon would not be a gas either, so they will be in small bits at the very least even if only c2 or c4 you still ahve to break some bonds, unless they miraculously cyclise.

the whole point is that carbon does not really boil at all as it has no liquid phase at 1 bar. it cant vapourise as any of the oher allotropes of carbon as (excluding fullerenes) they are all in the solid state.
Reply 11
Hellooo?

Um Im not quite getting it?
Reply 12
hira89
Hellooo?

Um Im not quite getting it?


Silicon oxide, has lower boiling point than Diamond.

This is due to the presence of weak pi bonds between the silicon atoms and oxygen atoms forming the double bond (sp3 hybrid).

While Diamond has strong sigma bonds.

:smile:
Reply 13
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oops sorry...are u totally sure? coz thats my theory too...
Er - there are no pi bonds in silicon oxide. There aren't any delocalised electrons. All the electrons are held tightly between the atoms, and aren't free to move, as opposed to carbon dioxide. With the longer silicon-oxygen bonds, the p orbitals on the silicon and the oxygen aren't quite close enough together to allow enough sideways overlap to give a stable pi bond. Carbon is the only Group 4 element that forms double bonds (pi) with oxygen.

Marcus
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hira89
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oops sorry...are u totally sure? coz thats my theory too...


I can tell you for certain that is incorrect.

Marcus
Reply 15
marcusfox
With the longer silicon-oxygen bonds, the p orbitals on the silicon and the oxygen aren't quite close enough together to allow enough sideways overlap to give a stable pi bond.

Marcus


Now that is a good reason, if someone stated that before in their posts, it would have made much sense!! :p:
Reply 16
marcusfox
Er - there are no pi bonds in silicon oxide. There aren't any delocalised electrons. All the electrons are held tightly between the atoms, and aren't free to move, as opposed to carbon dioxide. With the longer silicon-oxygen bonds, the p orbitals on the silicon and the oxygen aren't quite close enough together to allow enough sideways overlap to give a stable pi bond. Carbon is the only Group 4 element that forms double bonds (pi) with oxygen.

Marcus
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I can tell you for certain that is incorrect.

Marcus

Argh!! then whats the reason?? :frown::frown:
Chemgeek
this is true, but in buckyballs etc there have to be quite specific comditions for them to form, otherwise they would have been noticed a lot earlier. if it is a vapour it wont be in very large clumps and so it stands to reson that some of the bonds are likely to have to be broken whereas SiO2 can exist as a single molecule where no net bondiong change is noticed.

large clumps of carbon would not be a gas either, so they will be in small bits at the very least even if only c2 or c4 you still ahve to break some bonds, unless they miraculously cyclise.

the whole point is that carbon does not really boil at all as it has no liquid phase at 1 bar. it cant vapourise as any of the oher allotropes of carbon as (excluding fullerenes) they are all in the solid state.


I wasn't suggesting that carbon does vaporise as diatoms or something larger I was merely pointing out the flawed logic of assuming that it doesn't while at the same time assuming that SiO2 does!
As SiO2 does not exist in the simple molecular form it would also have to rearrange (at least its bonding) before boiling.

Besides, at the temperatures that we are dealing with (around about 4000ºC) reforming would not be beyond the bounds of possibility. (I said possibility)
Reply 18
OK, I have this intuition...
Does SiO2's polarity account for its smaller Mp/Bp than Diamond's?
As in Diamond has no polairty right...but silicon & oxygen do have different electronegativities...
So then the covalent bond is not strong-as compared to diamond- here right?
Help charco...or chemgeek or anyone!
Reply 19
to be perfectly honest as both of them are giant covalent structures i dont know what happens to them when they boil. Mainly because using the term boil for a structure like that does not really make sense.

Charco - I think the difficulty here is that neither of us really know the answer :P so as a recommendation perhpas Hira you could ask for a clarification from your teacher? and perhaps what they think the answer is ans we can see if it makes sense. :wink: