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The sign says, quite clearly, that you can't part there without a permit at that time. Advice: pay your fine.

The sign says, quite clearly, that you can't part there without a permit at that time. Advice: pay your fine.

Got a parking ticket today but I'm pretty sure I was in the right to park. The parking sign (attached) stated permit holders only but gave times on the sign: Mon-Sat 10am-11am 2pm-3pm. I parked there between 2-3pm. I asked a 'civil enforcement officer' earlier in the year if these were the times I was/wasn't allowed to park and he said I was allowed in those times, even if I didn't have a permit. Also, it would seem a bit odd if permit holders only could park during those times but anyone else could park outside those times. The parking bay is outside loads of housing so I would of thought the permit holders get the right the majority of the time! Been parking there for months now whenever I go into town on weekends and never had a ticket!

I'm going to appeal but I cannot find any official documentation explaining a sign like that. Currently trawling my way through traffic signs manual chp3 at http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tss/tsmanual/tsmchapter3.pdf

Has anyone else had any similar kind of problems? Any advice?

7.8 The sign to diagram 661.1 indicates a free parking place where certain restrictions apply. The sign may include the times of operation, a particular class of vehicle (car, solo motor cycle or bus), and a limited waiting period, together with the time period during which a vehicle may not return. Examples are shown in figure 7-1. Outside the times of operation there are no restrictions on parking unless there are signs and markings to indicate otherwise. Where no class of vehicle is shown, the parking place may be used by any vehicle. The limited waiting period is omitted where there is unlimited parking for a particular class of vehicle and times of operation are shown. Where the parking place operates at all times and there is no limit on waiting, a sign to diagram 801( with or without a supplementary plate) or 969 should be used as appropriate (see para 7.5).

7.14 Signs to diagrams 660 and 660.3 may be varied to include times of operation; examples are shown in figure 7-2. Outside those times any vehicle may park in the bay unless there are signs and markings to indicate otherwise.

I'm going to appeal but I cannot find any official documentation explaining a sign like that. Currently trawling my way through traffic signs manual chp3 at http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tss/tsmanual/tsmchapter3.pdf

Has anyone else had any similar kind of problems? Any advice?

Got a parking ticket today but I'm pretty sure I was in the right to park. The parking sign (attached) stated permit holders only but gave times on the sign: Mon-Sat 10am-11am 2pm-3pm. I parked there between 2-3pm. I asked a 'civil enforcement officer' earlier in the year if these were the times I was/wasn't allowed to park and he said I was allowed in those times, even if I didn't have a permit. Also, it would seem a bit odd if permit holders only could park during those times but anyone else could park outside those times. The parking bay is outside loads of housing so I would of thought the permit holders get the right the majority of the time! Been parking there for months now whenever I go into town on weekends and never had a ticket!

I'm going to appeal but I cannot find any official documentation explaining a sign like that. Currently trawling my way through traffic signs manual chp3 at http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/tss/tsmanual/tsmchapter3.pdf

Has anyone else had any similar kind of problems? Any advice?

Appeal it, what do you have to lose?

Cost of a stamp and waste of the councils money?

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The sign states those are the times you are NOT allowed to park in that zone.