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Reply 180
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there is nothing constructive about drugs...as i think i mentioned they are a mug's game.
Reply 181
the bear
there is nothing constructive about drugs...as i think i mentioned they are a mug's game.
Nothing constructive? The art, film and music industry disagree.
Reply 182
20
some degenerate artists, cineastes and music industrialists are drug fiends. but there are rotten apples in every walk of life.
Reply 183
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the bear
drugs are a mug's game
Fancy backing that up with a little bit of evidence? Or even just a reason why you hold that opinion? To be honest, without it there's no point in you posting at all.
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marcusfox
So basically you are supporting it by wording your answer like that. Coming up to ten years after Lea Betts too.
Marcus
Marcus
Oh good God he's joking.
Oh, and Leah Betts probably isn't the best example to use as she didn't die from the ecstasy as we have already established.
Reply 184
why is it so shameful to do it for your own enjoyment and benefit, whether during the experience or longer term. Thats why anyone does it essentially. It seems to me like its becoming morally wrong to get pleasure in any way - drugs are obviously already seen in that way though.
Like other people have said, its a calculated risk (which can and should be reduced by good knowledge of the drug), like every single other activity in life. When someone chooses to take the drug they obviously are aware of risks (whether real ones or innacurate popular beliefs etc) and theyre aware of the benefits of taking it, even if the benefit is only to find out what its like. They weigh it up and it tips to the side of overal a good choice.
Its a shame that something so potentially beautiful and amazing as many drugs is seen to be so wrong in this society. It would be so different if we worshipped the **** out of them like other cultures have.
My own take on Extacy is that I currently dont intend to take it unless i was certain its pure mdma. I very much doubt id take a "pill", however much someone else assured me it was "good". I would want to know mdma. Thats how I weigh it up, and I try to have no problem with others weighing it up differently.
Like other people have said, its a calculated risk (which can and should be reduced by good knowledge of the drug), like every single other activity in life. When someone chooses to take the drug they obviously are aware of risks (whether real ones or innacurate popular beliefs etc) and theyre aware of the benefits of taking it, even if the benefit is only to find out what its like. They weigh it up and it tips to the side of overal a good choice.
Its a shame that something so potentially beautiful and amazing as many drugs is seen to be so wrong in this society. It would be so different if we worshipped the **** out of them like other cultures have.
My own take on Extacy is that I currently dont intend to take it unless i was certain its pure mdma. I very much doubt id take a "pill", however much someone else assured me it was "good". I would want to know mdma. Thats how I weigh it up, and I try to have no problem with others weighing it up differently.
Reply 185
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marcusfox
So basically you are supporting it by wording your answer like that. Coming up to ten years after Lea Betts too.
Marcus
Marcus
I've never been an advocate of taking drugs and have never taken ecstacy or anything like that myself but seriously; the close mindedness of your posts and your unwillingness to accept any other viewpoints drive me insane!
And like SB said, how many times do we have to establish that Lea Betts didnt die from taking ecstacy? Honestly, how many times?
Reply 186
Chris.
Let's look at some of the solid facts..... thousands die each year from alcohol abuse, this includes drunken fights, physically drinking themselves to death in one sitting, liver failure in later life, obesity, etc. etc. a substantially lower amount of people die from drug abuse.
I'm not advocating drug abuse AT ALL, but people are deluded if they think it's ok for their health to drink themselves into oblivion three times a week, but will kill themselves if they snort the odd line or pop a pill every so often.
Let's look at some of the solid facts..... thousands die each year from alcohol abuse, this includes drunken fights, physically drinking themselves to death in one sitting, liver failure in later life, obesity, etc. etc. a substantially lower amount of people die from drug abuse.
I'm not advocating drug abuse AT ALL, but people are deluded if they think it's ok for their health to drink themselves into oblivion three times a week, but will kill themselves if they snort the odd line or pop a pill every so often.
I could have one pint and not die, I oculd have one E, and die... Jut because alcohol is a bigger killer than E's, that doesnt mean E's are safer
Reply 187
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I dont think you can compare drinking just one pint to taking a pill....
I was thinking though, if alcohol was illegal, you'd get people saying that people who drink are so stupid and how can people take such risks and its so dangerous etc.... Its only because its socially acceptable that people dont have a problem with it.
I was thinking though, if alcohol was illegal, you'd get people saying that people who drink are so stupid and how can people take such risks and its so dangerous etc.... Its only because its socially acceptable that people dont have a problem with it.
Reply 188
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Treception
I could have one pint and not die, I oculd have one E, and die... Jut because alcohol is a bigger killer than E's, that doesnt mean E's are safer
I could have one peanut and die - are peanuts more dangerous than alcohol?
Reply 189
Treception
I could have one pint and not die, I oculd have one E, and die... Jut because alcohol is a bigger killer than E's, that doesnt mean E's are safer
The concentration of each drug is different.
That is like saying a pint of vodka is more dangerous than a pint of fosters. Well congratulations dude.
1 E tablet isnt enough for most people to get a decent high. Most people who take E in an evening will take at least 2, more likely 3 (first time excluded). Its not rare to find people on upwards of five pills.
So in terms of how it is treated by users, 1 pill is equivalent to a couple of pints...
Reply 190
SB
Oh good God he's joking.
Oh, and Leah Betts probably isn't the best example to use as she didn't die from the ecstasy as we have already established.
Oh, and Leah Betts probably isn't the best example to use as she didn't die from the ecstasy as we have already established.
Are you going to tell me that I'm wrong in saying that if she hadn't taken ecstacy then she'd probably still be alive today? Maybe the ecstacy didn't kill her directly, but it was clearly a significant contributing factor. I am aware of the circumstances regarding her subsequent coma and death.
Marcus
Reply 191
I have an argument with my mother.
i storm out the house.
I scorss the road without looking.
I get run over.
Mother's fault?
Although Ill let others who know far more than I do, debate L.B's death.
i storm out the house.
I scorss the road without looking.
I get run over.
Mother's fault?
Although Ill let others who know far more than I do, debate L.B's death.
Reply 192
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marcusfox
Are you going to tell me that I'm wrong in saying that if she hadn't taken ecstacy then she'd probably still be alive today? Maybe the ecstacy didn't kill her directly, but it was clearly a significant contributing factor. I am aware of the circumstances regarding her subsequent coma and death.
Marcus
Marcus
No offence but thats the worst argument I ever heard. There are so many day to day analogies comparable to that I'm not going to start.
Reply 193
Why? You take a drug that gives you a terrible thirst. In your inebriated state you lose track of how much water you're drinking. You just want more and more. You go over the top and die. Now if you'd not taken the drug, you wouldn't have become thirsty. How is it not the drug's fault since that's what made you thirsty in the first place?
But it's clear that some people here can't be convinced that ecstasy is a bad thing, so I'm probably just wasting my breath. If there aren't any other points made, i'm not continuing the argument.
Marcus
But it's clear that some people here can't be convinced that ecstasy is a bad thing, so I'm probably just wasting my breath. If there aren't any other points made, i'm not continuing the argument.
Marcus
Reply 194
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_health_water.shtml seems to be relevant
Reply 195
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marcusfox
Why? You take a drug that gives you a terrible thirst. In your inebriated state you lose track of how much water you're drinking. You just want more and more. You go over the top and die. Now if you'd not taken the drug, you wouldn't have become thirsty. How is it not the drug's fault since that's what made you thirsty in the first place?
But it's clear that some people here can't be convinced that ecstasy is a bad thing, so I'm probably just wasting my breath. If there aren't any other points made, i'm not continuing the argument.
Marcus
But it's clear that some people here can't be convinced that ecstasy is a bad thing, so I'm probably just wasting my breath. If there aren't any other points made, i'm not continuing the argument.
Marcus
You really have no idea what you're talking about do you? Taking a pill is different from getting drunk. Sit with someone whose on pills and you dont notice anything different about them (except maybe they're grinding their teeth a bit...). Honestly, iv sat and chatted to one of my friends and she seemed so normal and then i find out later she was actually on pills at that point. Obviously this is only applicable if you've been reasonable and only taken a couple.
The people that dont know what theyr doing and drink so much water they die are people who go a bit crazy with it and pop like 12 pills a night. You end up doing stupid things yes, but then you'd do the same if you drank 12 pints wouldnt you. But of course thats ok because its legal.
You know what you're doing and its very easy to keep track of how much you're drinking and take a break every now and again. A pint an hour. All you need is a watch and a bottle.
There probably isnt any point in you continuing the argument if you cant come up with a reasonable point that isnt propoganda fed to you by the daily mail. The only reasonable arguments that I can think of are that:
a) They are illegal
b) Theres a lot of violence and terror etc surrounding drug dealing circles that can ruin lives.
Though admittedly there may be more that I havent thought of.
I would also like to say I have never taken ecstacy or any other class A drug, I'm just playing devils advocate. I would also NOT tell people that its ok to go and take drugs because hey even I dont want to take the risk. I just dont like it when people are so closed minded about the whole thing and refuse to even look at the other side.
Reply 196
14
Why? You take a drug that gives you a terrible thirst. In your inebriated state you lose track of how much water you're drinking. You just want more and more. You go over the top and die. Now if you'd not taken the drug, you wouldn't have become thirsty. How is it not the drug's fault since that's what made you thirsty in the first place?
I agree entirely with mangomaz. The basic point is YES you can go over the top with drugs and YES the consequences will be severe. But you can over the top with alcohol too, and the consequences can be just as bad (see http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/students/risky/alcoholpoisoning.aspx for just a few).
Alcohol is a VERY dangerous drug. So is ecstacy. So is heroin. Yet somehow the former seems to occupy some different category in many peoples heads, a situation caused by a combination of propaganda, apathy and lack of genuine experience.
EVERY drug has it pros and cons. Legality is (IMHO) not a fantastic discriminator of these.
Reply 197
Actually being on ecstasy doesnt make you insatiably thirsty as you suggest. The greater risk is from dehydration because you are dancing around like a loon in a hot club (for this is usually where the drug is taken). You are too busy having the best time of your life to care about drinking, or even notice that you are thirsty.
If you drink too much water it is usually on advice from your friends, who should be there to moderate the amount you drink.
If you drink too much water it is usually on advice from your friends, who should be there to moderate the amount you drink.
Reply 198
I think all my points on ecstacy I've made are valid. As a graduate chemist, having learned the pharmacology and side effects of several illegal drugs as part of my degree as an understanding of how their functional groups work, I think I'm rather better qualified to comment on it, as opposed to the numerous people on here that seem to think that "because I'm on it, I know people on it, or I've seen my mates on it and it's not doing them any harm, it can't be that bad really, can it?" Which is one of the problems I have with it, because that way it's so easy to start people up on something they believe is safe.
I could even make it myself, in the pure form that some people think is "safe" and use it or give it to my mates if I wanted to. But I don't, because I know what it is and what it can do. So please don't accuse me of caving to Daily Mail or any other propaganda.
Also some people seem to be confused as to imagine I'm talking about it being dagerous going over the top with ecstacy. I'm talking about it being dangerous to be on ecstasy full stop. Many people will take it when they're sober. But in the clubbing environment, many people will also take it whilst drunk. I don't know where you thought I was trying to compare taking ecstacy to being drunk. I don't know why all these comments on going over the top with alcohol are related. A few pints are fine. A few ecstacy tabs or a few hits of heroin are not.
Marcus
I could even make it myself, in the pure form that some people think is "safe" and use it or give it to my mates if I wanted to. But I don't, because I know what it is and what it can do. So please don't accuse me of caving to Daily Mail or any other propaganda.
Also some people seem to be confused as to imagine I'm talking about it being dagerous going over the top with ecstacy. I'm talking about it being dangerous to be on ecstasy full stop. Many people will take it when they're sober. But in the clubbing environment, many people will also take it whilst drunk. I don't know where you thought I was trying to compare taking ecstacy to being drunk. I don't know why all these comments on going over the top with alcohol are related. A few pints are fine. A few ecstacy tabs or a few hits of heroin are not.
Marcus
Reply 199
your friends, who should be there to moderate the amount you drink.
Thats nice. They get the job of watching you dance like a **** and making sure you don't die, bet that will make the night more exciting for them
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