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    There was a picture of a rioter climbing the cenotaph as the front page for atleast 3 major newspapers (Times, Telegraph, Sun) yesterday. The day before showed the royal family being attacked. It feels as if our media is trying to cause divides between the elderly and the young on this issue.

    At the same time, America has imprisoned a CIA whistleblower that published a video of a helicopter crew trying to gun down civilians, and they are making up stories about the founder of wikileaks and trying to arrest him on the grounds of phaedophilia.

    At the same time, Nick Clegg has made a complete U-turn on his election pledge, which as far as I am aware/concerned is illegal and if not illegal then highly undemocratic. Masses of students mobilised to plead that they not be saddled with tens of thousands of pounds of debt and the majority abided by the law - their efforts have been ignored and politicians keep branding them as "thugs...violent people" etc......

    IT FEELS LIKE DEMOCRACY IS A COMPLETE JOKE. ITS A STUPID IDEOLOGY THAT NATIONALISTS RANT ABOUT SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY, THE ONLY GOOD THING WE GET FROM IT IS STABLE GOVERNMENTS AND PEACE....THE PEOPLE ARE IGNORED, WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITH A LIBERAL DICTATORSHIP AS THEY HAVE IN CHINA, THEN ATLEAST WE WOULD NOT GO THROUGH ALL THIS POLTICIAL WRANGLING LYING *******S..
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    The media are a bunch of ****ers.
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    (Original post by draikzer)
    I laugh at anyone who would call The Sun a major newspaper.
    Well it is... We may not like the fact but to say that the biggest selling daily paper isn't a major newspaper is quite frankly stupid.
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    (Original post by draikzer)
    I laugh at anyone who would call The Sun a major newspaper.

    I didn't read the rest.
    It's the biggest selling newspaper in the UK. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it not major!
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    You're right, democracy is a joke...
    It's a joke that people actually voted them into government.
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    people will always lie in politics, so get used to it. the true politians who generally want to help the country will probably never get into power - because there are very few. power is corrupt :dontknow:
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    Let's take this step by step.

    (Original post by AFAIK)
    There was a picture of a rioter climbing the cenotaph as the front page for atleast 3 major newspapers (Times, Telegraph, Sun) yesterday. The day before showed the royal family being attacked. It feels as if our media is trying to cause divides between the elderly and the young on this issue.
    Whether we like it or not, the media plays on negative emotions. People want to know what's going on, and student protests are going on. It's not a case of wanting to make a divide, so much as wanting to sell more newspapers.

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    At the same time, America has imprisoned a CIA whistleblower that published a video of a helicopter crew trying to gun down civilians, and they are making up stories about the founder of wikileaks and trying to arrest him on the grounds of phaedophilia.
    So they should - whilst I appreciate that the general public shouldn't have been kept in the dark on this issue, it's more of a systematic problem than a legal one - whether you see fit or not, if you're handling protectively marked documents, it's not your place to disclose classified information. The US can't allow it just because it was received with good praise to the guy - it defies the law and it only sends a message to others handling such information that they may get away with it, and at some point, somebody will disclose something which gets people killed (perhaps like the War Diaries which WikiLeaks failed to properly sanitise), He may well be arrested, but the court will decide. You can't simply accuse the US of "makingup stories" when you have no evidence whatsoever. Do bear in mind that outside of the state governments there are plenty of other people who would like to see him locked up.

    (Original post by AFAIK)
    At the same time, Nick Clegg has made a complete U-turn on his election pledge, which as far as I am aware/concerned is illegal and if not illegal then highly undemocratic. Masses of students mobilised to plead that they not be saddled with tens of thousands of pounds of debt and the majority abided by the law - their efforts have been ignored and politicians keep branding them as "thugs...violent people" etc......
    It's not illegal. You elect somebody with an element of trust. As it happens, we elected a coalition government. Yes, tens of thousands of students protested, but the government are used to students protesting now, and whilst I don't agree with the steep hike in tuition fees, it was up to the MPs we all elected to vote against the fee rise, so if the general public as a whole want a rise, then that's probably what will happen.

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    IT FEELS LIKE DEMOCRACY IS A COMPLETE JOKE. ITS A STUPID IDEOLOGY THAT NATIONALISTS RANT ABOUT SELF-RIGHTEOUSLY, THE ONLY GOOD THING WE GET FROM IT IS STABLE GOVERNMENTS AND PEACE....THE PEOPLE ARE IGNORED, WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITH A LIBERAL DICTATORSHIP AS THEY HAVE IN CHINA, THEN ATLEAST WE WOULD NOT GO THROUGH ALL THIS POLTICIAL WRANGLING LYING *******S..
    We don't have a perfectly democratic system, but I wouldn't say any country really does. You do realise that if you were in CHina you could be facing severe punishment for this thread?
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    The people aren't really ignored. The amount of people upset about tuition fees is far lower then those that think it is a good idea. It also seems that all the people that think it is a bad idea, don't really understand its implications. Other then they will pay more back then the year before and they are crying that it's unfair.

    The media isn't controlled by the government in order to help democracy, so it is hardly surprising that they use stories like those. In regards to Nick, he is in a coalition government... How can two parties stick by thier manifestos when they collide? They simply can't and the liberals are in a weaker position. They may have put the voting system first but, that's hardly surprising.

    America on the other hand seem to have it a lot worse then us in regards to "democracy". It is a shame that this level of democracy is probably as good as it will ever get.
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    (Original post by lechaton-x)
    You're right, democracy is a joke...
    It's a joke that people actually voted them into government.
    36% of the vote no less, Labour only managed 29%, the Lib Dems and their promises on tuition fees - 21%

    How is that possibly a) not a mandate for the Tories to carry out the cuts and plans on tuition fees they were promising in their manifesto and b) in anyway undemocratic when millions voted for them?

    Students need to wake up and smell the coffee I'm afraid
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      (Original post by lechaton-x)
      It's a joke that people actually voted them into government.
      No they didn't.
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      It's the best joke i've ever seen.
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      Well ****ing duh...
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      If you were in other countries you'd be killed or punished for making comments like this.

      So i dont see how theres a problem.
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      (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
      No they didn't.
      What part of 36% of the vote don't you understand - that's over 10m people?
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        (Original post by Prince Rupert)
        What part of 36% of the vote don't you understand - that's over 10m people?
        36% is well below the majority. Hence, most people didn't vote for them.
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        Well democracy is about the most people, if not a majority (because otherwise nothign would ever get done)

        More MPs voted for it than not - so it passed.



        Also - the majority of those eligible to vote ill not be affected by this change and probably understand it/don't mind it - and as such it is democracy.
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        (Original post by RamocitoMorales)
        36% is well below the majority. Hence, most people didn't vote for them.
        So a government isn't legit unless 51% of the population votes for it?

        That's never happened in history...
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        (Original post by Philosoraptor)
        Well democracy is about the most people, if not a majority (because otherwise nothign would ever get done)

        More MPs voted for it than not - so it passed.



        Also - the majority of those eligible to vote ill not be affected by this change and probably understand it/don't mind it - and as such it is democracy.
        Exactly, the people who vote for it are selfish gits who it doesn't affect. it's the students who get screwed over. And if violence is what it takes to reverse the votes, then violence it is. If I was old enough to join...
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          (Original post by Prince Rupert)
          So a government isn't legit unless 51% of the population votes for it?

          That's never happened in history...
          We run a 'First past the post' system. The Convervatives didn't win under this system. Learn basic politics. :facepalm:
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          Mhmm...if things don't go the way you want them to, clearly the rest of the world is evil and intrinsically intent on personally screwing you over.

          Very mature response :nothing:
         
         
         
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