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    Hey Everyone,


    I used to have a different account on this website a few years back, but left mainly because I couldn't stand all the wise-cracks who seemed to have no intention of addressing the topic of the thread. Instead, they'd make it their goal to write a useless, 'funny', sarcastic and sometimes downright hurtful comment, for reasons that I didn't fully understand.

    Anyway, now that I've graduated and am currently unemployed with spare time on my hands, I thought I'd give TSR another try. At least I'll have access to some resources regarding job-hunting etc.

    I was disappointed, but not surprised, to find that TSR still has the same wise-crack problem. In my opinion, if you're not going to address the thread topic, then you should refrain from posting a reply.

    I wonder whether the 'wise-crack' problem could be somewhat treated (and hence make TSR a nicer and friendlier place) if the repping system was abolished?

    Postive reps serve no obvious positive purpose on this site. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - I ask only that you do so in a NICE & MATURE manner.) Although I think negative reps are useful - if you abolished repping then you could rename them 'warning points' or whatever.

    More importantly, and this is by no means true in every case, I think that part of what motivates some users to post these wise-cracks is that they hope that someone may find it hilariously funny and give them a pos rep. Even though pos reps serve no obvious positive purpose...


    Of course, we could never completely solve the 'wise-crack' problem. (That said, I feel that users should face tougher penalties for writing irrelevant, unhelpful rubbish.) I'm just wondering if removal of the repping system will lessen the problem.

    Could posters please reply to this thread in a mature and relevant manner. Thank you.
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      It may help but it will not solve the 'problem'. Every person is an individual with their own approach as to how they post - yes, their attitudes and posts may be influenced by reputation but removing that does not impose a bar on their behaviour. Bear in mind, whilst reputation encourages "wise-crack" comments, it also encourages good advice and well thought out posts.

      The post ratings are enormously beneficial to only be abused because of their links with personal reputation. Personal reputation is probably the core problem whilst post ratings is a good system of differentiating between a good and bad post.

      But reputation, karma, points - they all offer a system which encourages users to post good replies even if you get the "wise-cracks". It highlights well known trolls and "brands" them in the red.

      Warning points are a completely different matter serving as a sort of sentence count for punishments handed out by moderators for rule breaks.

      There is nothing wrong with a genuinely witty or intelligent comment as long as it is within topic and does not count as spam. There are measures in place to tackle spam or inappropriate or irrelevant posts - you can report them.
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      (Original post by 7he5haman)
      was disappointed, but not surprised, to find that TSR still has the same wise-crack problem. In my opinion, if you're not going to address the thread topic, then you should refrain from posting a reply.
      TSR is a forum, and this happens on every forum. It is what makes forums entertaining to post on and look for information on. Unless the OP is completely crap, serious responses will be made. A forum - a forum nonetheless posted on by students - will never be made up of dry, humourless threads full of information. That's what the wiki is for. Bear in mind there is a difference between wit and trolling - the latter is against the rules.


      Postive reps serve no obvious positive purpose on this site. (Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong - I ask only that you do so in a NICE & MATURE manner.) Although I think negative reps are useful - if you abolished repping then you could rename them 'warning points' or whatever.
      TSR currently has warning points - they are given by a mod for breaking of rules. Positive rep allows posters to, on the whole, give some kind of acknowledgement of a good, helpful or funny post. Although I think it has its flaws, it generally works for that purpose. The more rep = the more trustworthy the poster. Generally, people with very high rep usually specialise in one area of the forum. I think these people who "post funny things for rep" are just random people who jump about the forum and are unlikely to get a lot of rep gems in the long run.
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      (Original post by Beska)
      TSR is a forum, and this happens on every forum. It is what makes forums entertaining to post on and look for information on. Unless the OP is completely crap, serious responses will be made. A forum - a forum nonetheless posted on by students - will never be made up of dry, humourless threads full of information. That's what the wiki is for. Bear in mind there is a difference between wit and trolling - the latter is against the rules.

      TSR currently has warning points - they are given by a mod for breaking of rules. Positive rep allows posters to, on the whole, give some kind of acknowledgement of a good, helpful or funny post. Although I think it has its flaws, it generally works for that purpose. The more rep = the more trustworthy the poster. Generally, people with very high rep usually specialise in one area of the forum. I think these people who "post funny things for rep" are just random people who jump about the forum and are unlikely to get a lot of rep gems in the long run.
      I disagree that a nice response that is relevant to the thread and contains no malicious humour need necessarily be a 'dry' response (it could even contain some wit), although I agree that taking too much of the 'fun' out of posting would result in a 'drying up' or the TSR river, as it were.

      Nevertheless, I feel more has to be done to combat wise-cracks that are particularly malicious or personal and make no contribution to the thread.

      Thank you for your reply
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        (Original post by 7he5haman)

        Nevertheless, I feel more has to be done to combat wise-cracks that are particularly malicious or personal and make no contribution to the thread.

        Thank you for your reply
        I disagree. More must be done on your part. There is a report system in place for every post made on TSR - to tackle this very thing "malicious and personal and make no contribution to the thread". It is up to us, the members, to highlight these posts by reporting them which brings them to the moderators attention.
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        (Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
        I disagree. More must be done on your part. There is a report system in place for every post made on TSR - to tackle this very thing "malicious and personal and make no contribution to the thread". It is up to us, the members, to highlight these posts by reporting them which brings them to the moderators attention.
        Ah really? Cool! Where is it precisely? I can't find it

        By the way, I never was specific in the post you quoted me on as to who should be doing more to combat wise-cracks - indeed I think more needs to be done by both mods and the standard users.
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        (Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
        It may help but it will not solve the 'problem'. Every person is an individual with their own approach as to how they post - yes, their attitudes and posts may be influenced by reputation but removing that does not impose a bar on their behaviour. Bear in mind, whilst reputation encourages "wise-crack" comments, it also encourages good advice and well thought out posts.

        The post ratings are enormously beneficial to only be abused because of their links with personal reputation. Personal reputation is probably the core problem whilst post ratings is a good system of differentiating between a good and bad post.

        But reputation, karma, points - they all offer a system which encourages users to post good replies even if you get the "wise-cracks". It highlights well known trolls and "brands" them in the red.

        Warning points are a completely different matter serving as a sort of sentence count for punishments handed out by moderators for rule breaks.

        There is nothing wrong with a genuinely witty or intelligent comment as long as it is within topic and does not count as spam. There are measures in place to tackle spam or inappropriate or irrelevant posts - you can report them.
        Sorry, I missed this post of yours first time round!

        Of course I have nothing against harmless witty comment that is relevant and helpful. It's just the more malicious stuff that I want to crack down on. Thanks
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          (Original post by 7he5haman)
          Ah really? Cool! Where is it precisely? I can't find it

          By the way, I never was specific in the post you quoted me on as to who should be doing more to combat wise-cracks - indeed I think more needs to be done by both mods and the standard users.
          The exclamation mark icon on the top right of any post. I can't paste the image as I've been posting from my iPhone.

          Oh yeah but I feel, as the mass majority of members do not use the report function or know of its existence then much more could be achieved on their part. Moderators already do a lot in terms of moderation behind the scenes and member/site issues as well as dealing with reports and troublesome members. So, at the moment, it seems (even though mods patrol forums and threads) up to the member to point out the spam, irrelevant or inappropriate post.

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          (Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
          The exclamation mark icon on the top right of any post. I can't paste the image as I've been posting from my iPhone.

          Oh yeah but I feel, as the mass majority of members do not use the report function or know of its existence then much more could be achieved on their part. Moderators already do a lot in terms of moderation behind the scenes and member/site issues as well as dealing with reports and troublesome members. So, at the moment, it seems (even though mods patrol forums and threads) up to the member to point out the spam, irrelevant or inappropriate post.

          Found it, thanks!

          Perhaps one thing mods could do is raise the profile of the report function?
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            (Original post by 7he5haman)
            Found it, thanks!

            Perhaps one thing mods could do is raise the profile of the report function?
            No problem.

            I agree with that. Perhaps have white writing next to the report icon - "Report this post to moderators".

            You should make the suggestion for that change in a new thread in this forum: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=357

            Although admins are a bit distracted at the moment with ironing post-upgrade bugs.
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            (Original post by Ape Gone Insane)
            No problem.

            I agree with that. Perhaps have white writing next to the report icon - "Report this post to moderators".

            You should make the suggestion for that change in a new thread in this forum: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=357

            Although admins are a bit distracted at the moment with ironing post-upgrade bugs.

            Good idea! I'll get on to it straight away
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            I totally agree with the OP on this - I stopped coming on TSR for this reason. Although I can't see that changing the rep system would change things completely, I do think the whole pos/neg rep thing just breeds hostility.
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            I think the rep system stinks but you will never change it on TSR because it is the people with huge post counts and lots of pos rep who have the casting vote on whether it is continued.

            Neg rep serves no purpose at all. It stifles discussions. It means that people have to all have the same opinion on any subject otherwise you are ganged up on and get vicious rep for simply stating an opinion and it makes the word forum into a mockery.

            The only possible reason for its continuance is that it makes money for the forum owners by forcing people to subscribe in order to know who is repping you.
           
           
           
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