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    I have just founded this society. Would any of you be interested in joining?
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    (Original post by Gerd Loki)
    I have just founded this society. Would any of you be interested in joining?
    Please could you explain to me what you will be hoping to achieve?
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    (Original post by MarkRennie)
    Please could you explain to me what you will be hoping to achieve?
    Certainly. We believe that the current capitalist system that dominates humanity is unsustainable. The workers, upon whose work all human endeavour is dependant, are being oppressed by the ruling classes. Our society seeks to return control over the economy to the people, who can run it so as to benefit the many as opposed to the few. I would suggest that you read an introduction to our ideology, many of which are available, if you wish to further acquaint yourself with our philosophy.
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    (Original post by Gerd Loki)
    Certainly. We believe that the current capitalist system that dominates humanity is unsustainable. The workers, upon whose work all human endeavour is dependant, are being oppressed by the ruling classes. Our society seeks to return control over the economy to the people, who can run it so as to benefit the many as opposed to the few. I would suggest that you read an introduction to our ideology, many of which are available, if you wish to further acquaint yourself with our philosophy.
    That is all very well and to a certain extent I agree with your points however do you feel that communism is practical? Someone always has to be enforcing the law so alas not everyone will be equal. You have quoted Marxist views, fair enough but what do you as a society on TSR hope to achieve?
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    (Original post by Gerd Loki)
    Certainly. We believe that the current capitalist system that dominates humanity is unsustainable. The workers, upon whose work all human endeavour is dependant, are being oppressed by the ruling classes. Our society seeks to return control over the economy to the people, who can run it so as to benefit the many as opposed to the few. I would suggest that you read an introduction to our ideology, many of which are available, if you wish to further acquaint yourself with our philosophy.
    But Marx suggested this would only happen when capitalism effectively burnt itself out and the booms and busts became so gargantuan that the whole system ripped itself apart. By acting in an actively anti-capitalist way, you're going against this : you should be encouraging capitalism so as to hasten its inevitable downfall!

    Incidentally I suspect the person you quoted was asking what you'd achieve in a more practical, day to day sense but perhaps I am wrong!
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    (Original post by CyclopsRock)
    But Marx suggested this would only happen when capitalism effectively burnt itself out and the booms and busts became so gargantuan that the whole system ripped itself apart. By acting in an actively anti-capitalist way, you're going against this : you should be encouraging capitalism so as to hasten its inevitable downfall!

    Incidentally I suspect the person you quoted was asking what you'd achieve in a more practical, day to day sense but perhaps I am wrong!
    I think that many would think that this has already happened! Look at the recession! Many are now realising this.
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    (Original post by MarkRennie)
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    That is all very well and to a certain extent I agree with your points however do you feel that communism is practical? Someone always has to be enforcing the law so alas not everyone will be equal. You have quoted Marxist views, fair enough but what do you as a society on TSR hope to achieve?
    There will be no need to enforce laws. The proletariat will be entirely satisfied with the new system, and will have no need to rebel. As for the bourgeoisie, we will not accept any opposition that threatens the progress of the workers.
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    (Original post by CyclopsRock)
    Incidentally I suspect the person you quoted was asking what you'd achieve in a more practical, day to day sense but perhaps I am wrong!

    (Original post by MarkRennie)
    You have quoted Marxist views, fair enough but what do you as a society on TSR hope to achieve?
    This being an online student forum, I accept that what we can achieve is limited to a certain extent. However, I believe that it can serve as a useful place to discuss Communist theory, and how the revolution can be achieved, whilst perhaps also opening the minds of others to our ideology, who may not have considered it before.
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    (Original post by Gerd Loki)
    There will be no need to enforce laws. The proletariat will be entirely satisfied with the new system, and will have no need to rebel. As for the bourgeoisie, we will no accept any opposition that threatens the progress of the workers.
    To me, Personally you seem to be living in a fantasy world where you believe everything will just fall into place for you. I just can't see it working IMO. Capitalism suits too many people.
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    (Original post by Gerd Loki)
    This being an online student forum, I accept that what we can achieve is limited to a certain extent. However, I believe that it can serve as a useful place to discuss Communist theory, and how the revolution can be achieved, whilst perhaps also opening the minds of others to our ideology, who may not have considered it before.
    Well good luck to you, sir. As long people don't start spamming this thread, hopefully we can have a healthy discussion.
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    (Original post by MarkRennie)
    To me, Personally you seem to be living in a fantasy world where you believe everything will just fall into place for you. I just can't see it working IMO. Capitalism suits too many people.
    I can see how you would think this, but these type of thoughts are what stop mankind from advancing. If the citizens of France had thought like this, the revolution would never have happened, and they would still be living in virtual slavery. If the women of Britain had thought like this at the beginning of the previous century, they would still be living as second-class citizens, disenfranchised and ignored. If those who went on to found the Labour Party had thought like this, we would still be living in a country where workers died because they could not afford basic medicines, and unemployement meant likely starvation. We must believe that progress is possible, that our aims are achievable, otherwise, what is the point in independant thought? We may as well be automatons, advancing through life with no emotions or opinions, simply the proverbial "cogs in the machine". Is this really what you want to leave as the legacy to your children?
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    Exactly what is it that you find amusing about the suferring and oppression of the working classes. Does the poor child, crying and alone, working for pittance under an abusive master seem funny to you. Is it amusing that millions toil for little reward, whilst the privileged few live an oppulent life of luxury? I don't find this acceptable, and seek to open other's minds to this abominable system.
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    (Original post by Gerd Loki)
    I can see how you would think this, but these type of thoughts are what stop mankind from advancing. If the citizens of France had thought like this, the revolution would never have happened, and they would still be living in virtual slavery. If the women of Britain had thought like this at the beginning of the previous century, they would still be living as second-class citizens, disenfranchised and ignored. If those who went on to found the Labour Party had thought like this, we would still be living in a country where workers died because they could not afford basic medicines, and unemployement meant likely starvation. We must believe that progress is possible, that our aims are achievable, otherwise, what is the point in independant thought? We may as well be automatons, advancing through life with no emotions or opinions, simply the proverbial "cogs in the machine". Is this really what you want to leave as the legacy to your children?
    Oh yes, the glorious revolution of France, let's replace one monarch with another. At least under the rule of Louis bourbon, France did not lose 100,000s of it's sons in the snowstorm of the Russian winter. I would say that any life is better than none.

    I accept that the Labour party were very left wing but they had to accept that people did not care for their views so they became more central.
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    (Original post by Gerd Loki)
    QFA
    Note that you could form the Communist party of TSR if you so wished, you just need the support of 10 members.
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    (Original post by Gerd Loki)
    I think that many would think that this has already happened! Look at the recession! Many are now realising this.
    I don't think they are at all. Recessions happen every decade or so. This one's slightly different in nature because it's debt-based and not inflation based, but it always happens. The truth is that people realise their wealth goes up in the years we're not in recession. Or, at least, by the time they might be worked up into caring enough, usually growth has returned.
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    (Original post by Gerd Loki)
    I can see how you would think this, but these type of thoughts are what stop mankind from advancing. If the citizens of France had thought like this, the revolution would never have happened, and they would still be living in virtual slavery.

    But the citizens of France did not think like this. That thinking was restricted to a small liberal elite composed and spearheaded mainly by the nobility and lay aristocracy.

    If you are talking about the French people with regards to the majority. At the root of this peasant revolt can be found hunger. Not any developed ideas of political philosophy. Political philosophy in the French Revolution played the part of a teaspoon trying to steer an aircraft carrier. The dialectic simply does not hold true on this level.

    It is when applied in a more abstract manner that such concepts become viable. Because it was the legacy of the French Revolution and not the revolution itself that mattered.

    Nietszche was right in his own way when he called it a ' Gruesome and unecessary farce... The first stage of the last great slave revolt.'

    You will find that it is almost always an intellectual elite who lay the political and philosophical foundations for the future. Not 'the people'.
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    Communism is my idea of hell on earth and almost unenforcible. You'll always get the fat cat at the top milking the proletariat dry. Always. But communism is not the answer to that problem anyway. A healthy balance of socialist and capitalist values is.
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    (Original post by Gerd Loki)
    I can see how you would think this, but these type of thoughts are what stop mankind from advancing. If the citizens of France had thought like this, the revolution would never have happened, and they would still be living in virtual slavery. If the women of Britain had thought like this at the beginning of the previous century, they would still be living as second-class citizens, disenfranchised and ignored. If those who went on to found the Labour Party had thought like this, we would still be living in a country where workers died because they could not afford basic medicines, and unemployement meant likely starvation. We must believe that progress is possible, that our aims are achievable, otherwise, what is the point in independant thought? We may as well be automatons, advancing through life with no emotions or opinions, simply the proverbial "cogs in the machine". Is this really what you want to leave as the legacy to your children?
    I totally agree with the fact that you've got to work to actually acheive something, however...

    So many people like their ipods, their state of the art computers, going to a supermarket and having a lot of food to choose from without fear of it running out in a day, people like to wear their favourite brands of clothing and all the other things they can buy with their money.

    These things can't be acheived in a communist society, and people may enjoy the dream of 'not being a cog in the machine', but who's to say that the life under a communist society is completely better? My lecturer at university escaped that because of food shortages and lack of dynamism and change.
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    I'll be happy to join.
 
 
 
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